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Delete: I've found the following sources on Newspapers.com (
[2],
[3]). Basically just notes that he was appointed with zero detail. A part of me would say "Redirect to
Canada–Democratic Republic of the Congo relations" but it's so far gone back in the day that I don't think we can argue for that. Per
WP:DIPLOMAT (which IMO is a well-formed coherent argument and essay), a head of mission is not inherently notable, and it seems clearly that our friend John Clemence is not.
Nomader (
talk)
05:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Also want to make clear that I searched Google Books, JSTOR, and just searched all over in general and came up with nothing. Would kill for some Congolese sources here...
Nomader (
talk)
05:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I went ahead and dived into the
2014 discussion on this which created the text at
WP:DIPLOMAT so you don't have to (trust me it is very meandering). Suffice to say, there was originally a carve out at
WP:POLITICIAN that specifically excluded ambassadors. This was removed as being too strict (not precluding the creation of articles about them), but instead
WP:DIPLOMAT rightly notes that if a specific ambassador doesn't meet the notability requirements, they can be redirected to that country's relations page. Only problem being... our friend here has been ambassador twice. Luckily I think that in this case, the notability (or lack thereof) seems to be very clear, and I think that we're safe with a straight delete, due to his not very notable stature.
Nomader (
talk)
03:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Delete: I've found the following sources on Newspapers.com (
[2],
[3]). Basically just notes that he was appointed with zero detail. A part of me would say "Redirect to
Canada–Democratic Republic of the Congo relations" but it's so far gone back in the day that I don't think we can argue for that. Per
WP:DIPLOMAT (which IMO is a well-formed coherent argument and essay), a head of mission is not inherently notable, and it seems clearly that our friend John Clemence is not.
Nomader (
talk)
05:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Also want to make clear that I searched Google Books, JSTOR, and just searched all over in general and came up with nothing. Would kill for some Congolese sources here...
Nomader (
talk)
05:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I went ahead and dived into the
2014 discussion on this which created the text at
WP:DIPLOMAT so you don't have to (trust me it is very meandering). Suffice to say, there was originally a carve out at
WP:POLITICIAN that specifically excluded ambassadors. This was removed as being too strict (not precluding the creation of articles about them), but instead
WP:DIPLOMAT rightly notes that if a specific ambassador doesn't meet the notability requirements, they can be redirected to that country's relations page. Only problem being... our friend here has been ambassador twice. Luckily I think that in this case, the notability (or lack thereof) seems to be very clear, and I think that we're safe with a straight delete, due to his not very notable stature.
Nomader (
talk)
03:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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