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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 04:13, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
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Two pro-forma obituaries do not sufficient notability make, I'm sorry to say. No indication of any further coverage, or anything touching WP:NPROF for his professional life. Wikipedia is not the right place for this memorial. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 01:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. I added 12 reliably-published, in-depth, and independent reviews of three of his books. I think that's enough for WP:AUTHOR. — David Eppstein ( talk) 05:26, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Can't quite see how it does, actually. Which point are you aiming at - 3?
The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
Reviews exist, but the majority of them seem to be meh to middling; and I wouldn't agree that they demonstrate a "significant or well-known work or collective body of work". One would expect that conclusion to be explicitly drawn somewhere (e.g., an in-depth obituary would have been the place). - To put it another way, a dozen reviews which do not add up to a an assessment of the work as significant, do not satisfy WP:AUTHOR. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 13:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)- 4(c) The person's works have won significant critical attention. It's not important to me whether the reviewers liked the work, only that the reviews are in-depth. Alternatively, if you like, you can view this as coverage towards WP:GNG: we now have (including the two obituaries) 14 non-trivial independently and reliably published sources with in-depth coverage of the subject and his works, not just two. — David Eppstein ( talk) 14:48, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Can't quite see how it does, actually. Which point are you aiming at - 3?
- Keep. I believe the sources recently added by David Eppstein demonstrate that McLaughlin qualifies for notability as per WP:AUTHOR 4(c). Krakkos ( talk) 08:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note for the record that Krakkos is the article's creator. – David Eppstein ( talk) 16:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Keep. More than enough reviews to qualify. Haukur ( talk) 15:29, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY after work by David_Eppstein. Bearian ( talk) 17:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 04:13, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
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Two pro-forma obituaries do not sufficient notability make, I'm sorry to say. No indication of any further coverage, or anything touching WP:NPROF for his professional life. Wikipedia is not the right place for this memorial. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 01:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. I added 12 reliably-published, in-depth, and independent reviews of three of his books. I think that's enough for WP:AUTHOR. — David Eppstein ( talk) 05:26, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Can't quite see how it does, actually. Which point are you aiming at - 3?
The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
Reviews exist, but the majority of them seem to be meh to middling; and I wouldn't agree that they demonstrate a "significant or well-known work or collective body of work". One would expect that conclusion to be explicitly drawn somewhere (e.g., an in-depth obituary would have been the place). - To put it another way, a dozen reviews which do not add up to a an assessment of the work as significant, do not satisfy WP:AUTHOR. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 13:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)- 4(c) The person's works have won significant critical attention. It's not important to me whether the reviewers liked the work, only that the reviews are in-depth. Alternatively, if you like, you can view this as coverage towards WP:GNG: we now have (including the two obituaries) 14 non-trivial independently and reliably published sources with in-depth coverage of the subject and his works, not just two. — David Eppstein ( talk) 14:48, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Can't quite see how it does, actually. Which point are you aiming at - 3?
- Keep. I believe the sources recently added by David Eppstein demonstrate that McLaughlin qualifies for notability as per WP:AUTHOR 4(c). Krakkos ( talk) 08:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note for the record that Krakkos is the article's creator. – David Eppstein ( talk) 16:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Keep. More than enough reviews to qualify. Haukur ( talk) 15:29, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY after work by David_Eppstein. Bearian ( talk) 17:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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