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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Jim Harrity
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Member of national or sub national legislatures are notable but Harrity is member of a city legislature. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 10:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Harrity represents 1.6 million people. In other context, big urban cities council members all have wikipedia pages. Harrity's page matches up with the status quo, if we delete his page then we have to delete many other pages User:Phillypaboy123 Let's Talk ! 10:18, 6 December 2022 (EST)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 10:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Pennsylvania. Skynxnex ( talk) 17:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The articles of municipal councilors of large global cities are often kept at AfD; I suppose the argument is whether Philly qualifies as that. No opinion either way at the moment, just laying out the foundation. Curbon7 ( talk) 02:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Heres the thing,All of his predeccsors have pages, if we delete harrity then we must then delete the other pages User:Phillypaboy123 Let's Talk ! 10:01, 7 December 2022 (EST)
- Same as my comment at the AfD of Anthony Phillips: NB WP:ALLORNOTHING, at a minimum need to demonstrate satisfying the GNG here. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 21:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Walsh, Sean Collins (26 September 2022). "A bar fight, a heart attack, and 12 years of sobriety: Jimmy Harrity's path to Philadelphia City Council". Philadelphia Inquirer.
- ^ Walsh, Sean Collins (7 December 2022). "New Councilmember Jimmy Harrity gets fresh with official bio". Philadelphia Inquirer.
- Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 23:11, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I find nothing else about him except that he was elected to the city council. I unfortunately can't get to the one source (inquirer) that appears to be a significant source, but I am assuming it is. So there is one fairly good source. But remember that for the purposes of notability, a source, like Philadelphia Inquirer is viewed as one source even though it is repeated in the article; and that seems to be the main support for this article. Lamona ( talk) 05:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Harrity also one of the leaders of the state party as a "Political Director", one of the most important positions.
- Can you give a link for that? And also, sign your entries here.
Lamona (
talk)
17:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- It's a state party level staff position, not seeing any inherent notability. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 09:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Can you give a link for that? And also, sign your entries here.
Lamona (
talk)
17:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he can be sourced better. While it's true that city councillors in global cities like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago or Philadelphia are often accepted as notable enough, that isn't an automatic guarantee in all cases — it hinges less on verifying that he exists as a city councillor, and more on the amount of WP:GNG-worthy coverage that can be shown to get him past WP:NPOL #2 (where, note, the test is "who have received significant press coverage"). Securing the notability of a city councillor, in other words, is not a question of nominally verifying that he won the election: it's a question of writing and sourcing some substance about the impact of his term in office: specific things he did, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects his work had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. It's possible, maybe even likely, that he'll have enough coverage at some point in 2023, when his term in office can be measured in months — but just 20 days after the election, when it isn't even entirely clear whether he's even been sworn into office yet, the type of content and sourcing it takes to make a city councillor notable clearly isn't available yet. This isn't a "never", it's just a " WP:TOOSOON". Bearcat ( talk) 16:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Jim Harrity
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Member of national or sub national legislatures are notable but Harrity is member of a city legislature. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 10:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Harrity represents 1.6 million people. In other context, big urban cities council members all have wikipedia pages. Harrity's page matches up with the status quo, if we delete his page then we have to delete many other pages User:Phillypaboy123 Let's Talk ! 10:18, 6 December 2022 (EST)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 10:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Pennsylvania. Skynxnex ( talk) 17:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The articles of municipal councilors of large global cities are often kept at AfD; I suppose the argument is whether Philly qualifies as that. No opinion either way at the moment, just laying out the foundation. Curbon7 ( talk) 02:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Heres the thing,All of his predeccsors have pages, if we delete harrity then we must then delete the other pages User:Phillypaboy123 Let's Talk ! 10:01, 7 December 2022 (EST)
- Same as my comment at the AfD of Anthony Phillips: NB WP:ALLORNOTHING, at a minimum need to demonstrate satisfying the GNG here. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 21:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Walsh, Sean Collins (26 September 2022). "A bar fight, a heart attack, and 12 years of sobriety: Jimmy Harrity's path to Philadelphia City Council". Philadelphia Inquirer.
- ^ Walsh, Sean Collins (7 December 2022). "New Councilmember Jimmy Harrity gets fresh with official bio". Philadelphia Inquirer.
- Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 23:11, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I find nothing else about him except that he was elected to the city council. I unfortunately can't get to the one source (inquirer) that appears to be a significant source, but I am assuming it is. So there is one fairly good source. But remember that for the purposes of notability, a source, like Philadelphia Inquirer is viewed as one source even though it is repeated in the article; and that seems to be the main support for this article. Lamona ( talk) 05:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Harrity also one of the leaders of the state party as a "Political Director", one of the most important positions.
- Can you give a link for that? And also, sign your entries here.
Lamona (
talk)
17:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- It's a state party level staff position, not seeing any inherent notability. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 09:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Can you give a link for that? And also, sign your entries here.
Lamona (
talk)
17:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he can be sourced better. While it's true that city councillors in global cities like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago or Philadelphia are often accepted as notable enough, that isn't an automatic guarantee in all cases — it hinges less on verifying that he exists as a city councillor, and more on the amount of WP:GNG-worthy coverage that can be shown to get him past WP:NPOL #2 (where, note, the test is "who have received significant press coverage"). Securing the notability of a city councillor, in other words, is not a question of nominally verifying that he won the election: it's a question of writing and sourcing some substance about the impact of his term in office: specific things he did, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects his work had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. It's possible, maybe even likely, that he'll have enough coverage at some point in 2023, when his term in office can be measured in months — but just 20 days after the election, when it isn't even entirely clear whether he's even been sworn into office yet, the type of content and sourcing it takes to make a city councillor notable clearly isn't available yet. This isn't a "never", it's just a " WP:TOOSOON". Bearcat ( talk) 16:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.