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The result was delete. If anyone wants this userfying for improvement, let me know. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. It has been in CAT:NN for 14 years; hopefully we can now resolve this. Boleyn ( talk) 19:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I couldn't find anything on Newspapers Extended on either the books or on Estrin himself. No obituary, nothing. The magazines look self-published. Fails WP:GNG. BBQboffin grill me 00:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - Even though I’m the editor who started this page back in September 2010, I agree that as the article now stands, it does not meet
WP:BIO or
WP:GNG and it is justifiable to propose deletion if these issues can’t be fixed. I’m going to try to fix these issues in the coming week, if possible. But if after that it is the consensus that the article should face deletion, I’m going to suggest merging this page or redirecting it to
Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) who was Jerry Estrin’s wife at the time of his death and Moriarty is the executor of Estrin’s estate and thus an important part of Estrin’s legacy and notability. I think a redirect page Estrin~~>to Moriarty is a good faith compromise. Obviously these issues with the Estrin page would need to be cleaned up so an not to move the same housekeeping issues involving
WP:BIO &
WP:GNG over to
Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) page. -
Christian Roess (
talk)
18:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) seems to suffer from the same notability issues and lack of sourcing. Maybe draftify both until sources can be found? BBQboffin
grill me
23:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes the Laura Moriarty page has issues, too. But that’s probably an easier fix. Jerry Estrin is a tough one. It’s difficult to establish notability. I’m surprised that he’s kind of fallen off the grid in the last decade. But yes, I may have to follow your suggestion and re-do these as drafts, so we can get additional input and hope they don’t get deleted. Christian Roess ( talk) 03:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) seems to suffer from the same notability issues and lack of sourcing. Maybe draftify both until sources can be found? BBQboffin
grill me
23:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. If anyone wants this userfying for improvement, let me know. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Jerry Estrin ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. It has been in CAT:NN for 14 years; hopefully we can now resolve this. Boleyn ( talk) 19:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I couldn't find anything on Newspapers Extended on either the books or on Estrin himself. No obituary, nothing. The magazines look self-published. Fails WP:GNG. BBQboffin grill me 00:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - Even though I’m the editor who started this page back in September 2010, I agree that as the article now stands, it does not meet
WP:BIO or
WP:GNG and it is justifiable to propose deletion if these issues can’t be fixed. I’m going to try to fix these issues in the coming week, if possible. But if after that it is the consensus that the article should face deletion, I’m going to suggest merging this page or redirecting it to
Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) who was Jerry Estrin’s wife at the time of his death and Moriarty is the executor of Estrin’s estate and thus an important part of Estrin’s legacy and notability. I think a redirect page Estrin~~>to Moriarty is a good faith compromise. Obviously these issues with the Estrin page would need to be cleaned up so an not to move the same housekeeping issues involving
WP:BIO &
WP:GNG over to
Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) page. -
Christian Roess (
talk)
18:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
-
Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) seems to suffer from the same notability issues and lack of sourcing. Maybe draftify both until sources can be found? BBQboffin
grill me
23:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes the Laura Moriarty page has issues, too. But that’s probably an easier fix. Jerry Estrin is a tough one. It’s difficult to establish notability. I’m surprised that he’s kind of fallen off the grid in the last decade. But yes, I may have to follow your suggestion and re-do these as drafts, so we can get additional input and hope they don’t get deleted. Christian Roess ( talk) 03:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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Laura Moriarty (poet and novelist) seems to suffer from the same notability issues and lack of sourcing. Maybe draftify both until sources can be found? BBQboffin
grill me
23:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.