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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG as the only articles I could find on this individual are not independent (ie. Colgate). – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 23:37, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. I can't find notability through his publications — he seems to have only single-digit citations on Google Scholar and no books. But as the article makes clear, he held an endowed professorship at Colgate, giving him a pass of WP:PROF#C5. And there's plenty of material to expand the article with at [1] although (because published by his employer) it doesn't contribute to notability. — David Eppstein ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Passes
WP:PROF#C5 for holding an endowed professorship.
XOR'easter (
talk) 00:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- @
XOR'easter and
David Eppstein: I considered that arguement in advance. I'll admit that this nomination was made in part due to me forgetting what the word
Emeritus meant. However, I will take this time to point out that the named chair was
Harry Emerson Fosdick Chair of Philosophy and Religion (which isn't particularly notable) and that this subject still fails
WP:GNG. Finally, I submit that
Colgate University is not a
a major institution of higher education and research
as required by WP:PROF#C5. It's just a small liberal arts college (not a major research institution nor prestigious university). – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 02:27, 27 August 2019 (UTC)- Named professorships don't have to be wiki-notable in their own right in order to qualify an individual per
WP:PROF#C5. The idea is that holding any such endowed position is a mark of professional achievement well beyond that of an "average" academic.
XOR'easter (
talk) 16:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- But it's still has to be from
a major institution of higher education and research
which Colgate University is just simply not. If this was UCONN or an equivalent Land-grant university, then I'd maybe see your point. Regardless, the purpose of the guideline seems to be intended to include institutions like Yale but disclude establishments like Connecticut College (otherwise it wouldn't use the wordmajor
). – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 23:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)- "16th-best liberal arts college in the country" sounds pretty significant to me. Or did you think enrollment numbers were the determining factor? If they were, by your criteria, even Caltech wouldn't be major, as it has fewer total students than Colgate. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- They don't conduct any noteworthy research. The guideline doesn't use the word or, it says
institution of higher education and research
[ emphasis added. Also,16th-best liberal arts college in the country
does not mean significant to me. (1) That's just one country [the scope of the guideline is global], (2) it does even make the top ten, (3) by definition of that statement, it discludes all colleges that aren't liberal arts colleges (which is a lot of colleges).
Do know, I already looked to see for myself: the only research the school advertises is student-based. I'm sure they do lovely work, but it's abundantly clear to me that this college is not a serious research institution. It isn't enrollment numbers; it's output of research. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 03:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- They don't conduct any noteworthy research. The guideline doesn't use the word or, it says
- "16th-best liberal arts college in the country" sounds pretty significant to me. Or did you think enrollment numbers were the determining factor? If they were, by your criteria, even Caltech wouldn't be major, as it has fewer total students than Colgate. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- But it's still has to be from
- Named professorships don't have to be wiki-notable in their own right in order to qualify an individual per
WP:PROF#C5. The idea is that holding any such endowed position is a mark of professional achievement well beyond that of an "average" academic.
XOR'easter (
talk) 16:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- @
XOR'easter and
David Eppstein: I considered that arguement in advance. I'll admit that this nomination was made in part due to me forgetting what the word
Emeritus meant. However, I will take this time to point out that the named chair was
Harry Emerson Fosdick Chair of Philosophy and Religion (which isn't particularly notable) and that this subject still fails
WP:GNG. Finally, I submit that
Colgate University is not a
- Keep. There are enough refs online, but not in the article, to satisfy GNG. Szzuk ( talk) 10:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Colgate is an Eastern College Athletic Conference university - the former Ivy League - that grants doctorates. Bearian ( talk) 15:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG as the only articles I could find on this individual are not independent (ie. Colgate). – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 23:37, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 23:37, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 23:37, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I can't find notability through his publications — he seems to have only single-digit citations on Google Scholar and no books. But as the article makes clear, he held an endowed professorship at Colgate, giving him a pass of WP:PROF#C5. And there's plenty of material to expand the article with at [1] although (because published by his employer) it doesn't contribute to notability. — David Eppstein ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Passes
WP:PROF#C5 for holding an endowed professorship.
XOR'easter (
talk) 00:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- @
XOR'easter and
David Eppstein: I considered that arguement in advance. I'll admit that this nomination was made in part due to me forgetting what the word
Emeritus meant. However, I will take this time to point out that the named chair was
Harry Emerson Fosdick Chair of Philosophy and Religion (which isn't particularly notable) and that this subject still fails
WP:GNG. Finally, I submit that
Colgate University is not a
a major institution of higher education and research
as required by WP:PROF#C5. It's just a small liberal arts college (not a major research institution nor prestigious university). – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 02:27, 27 August 2019 (UTC)- Named professorships don't have to be wiki-notable in their own right in order to qualify an individual per
WP:PROF#C5. The idea is that holding any such endowed position is a mark of professional achievement well beyond that of an "average" academic.
XOR'easter (
talk) 16:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- But it's still has to be from
a major institution of higher education and research
which Colgate University is just simply not. If this was UCONN or an equivalent Land-grant university, then I'd maybe see your point. Regardless, the purpose of the guideline seems to be intended to include institutions like Yale but disclude establishments like Connecticut College (otherwise it wouldn't use the wordmajor
). – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 23:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)- "16th-best liberal arts college in the country" sounds pretty significant to me. Or did you think enrollment numbers were the determining factor? If they were, by your criteria, even Caltech wouldn't be major, as it has fewer total students than Colgate. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- They don't conduct any noteworthy research. The guideline doesn't use the word or, it says
institution of higher education and research
[ emphasis added. Also,16th-best liberal arts college in the country
does not mean significant to me. (1) That's just one country [the scope of the guideline is global], (2) it does even make the top ten, (3) by definition of that statement, it discludes all colleges that aren't liberal arts colleges (which is a lot of colleges).
Do know, I already looked to see for myself: the only research the school advertises is student-based. I'm sure they do lovely work, but it's abundantly clear to me that this college is not a serious research institution. It isn't enrollment numbers; it's output of research. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 03:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- They don't conduct any noteworthy research. The guideline doesn't use the word or, it says
- "16th-best liberal arts college in the country" sounds pretty significant to me. Or did you think enrollment numbers were the determining factor? If they were, by your criteria, even Caltech wouldn't be major, as it has fewer total students than Colgate. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- But it's still has to be from
- Named professorships don't have to be wiki-notable in their own right in order to qualify an individual per
WP:PROF#C5. The idea is that holding any such endowed position is a mark of professional achievement well beyond that of an "average" academic.
XOR'easter (
talk) 16:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- @
XOR'easter and
David Eppstein: I considered that arguement in advance. I'll admit that this nomination was made in part due to me forgetting what the word
Emeritus meant. However, I will take this time to point out that the named chair was
Harry Emerson Fosdick Chair of Philosophy and Religion (which isn't particularly notable) and that this subject still fails
WP:GNG. Finally, I submit that
Colgate University is not a
- Keep. There are enough refs online, but not in the article, to satisfy GNG. Szzuk ( talk) 10:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Colgate is an Eastern College Athletic Conference university - the former Ivy League - that grants doctorates. Bearian ( talk) 15:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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