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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 19:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Jeremy Wolf
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Easily fails WP:NBASE. Played international baseball, but not for a NBASE-qualifying tournament, and all of the references are about his low-level college career or minor league career. SportingFlyer T· C 18:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. First we have the GNG articles devoted to him (Tyler Dunn (October 3, 2019). "Jeremy Wolf's path to Aliyah and Team Israel". Cronkite News; "Former Tiger All-American Jeremy Wolf Gives Back to Baseball". Trinity (TX). May 29, 2019; Orsborn, Tom (May 22, 2015). "Wolf making his mark at Trinity with his bat, personality". Express News; Sypa, Steve (July 25, 2016). "2016 Mets draft profile: OF Jeremy Wolf". Amazin' Avenue; "Tiger All-American Jeremy Wolf Drafted by New York Mets". Trinity (TX). June 11, 2016; Robus, Clint (July 8, 2013). "MCBL baseball: Wolf challenging single-season league batting record". Casper Star-Tribune; and "Trinity Alum Wolf '16 Part of Olympics-Bound Israeli Baseball Team". Trinity (TX). September 26, 2019.). And then, further, he is notable, under WP:BASEBALL/N. Which says "Baseball figures are presumed notable if they ... have participated in a major international competition (such as the World Baseball Classic, Baseball World Cup or Olympics) as a member of a national team." He has participated, as a starter in fact, in two major international competitions of that nature (Note: the above list is an e.g. list, not an i.e. list): both the 2019 European Baseball Championship and the two-continent Africa/Europe 2020 Olympic Qualification tournament (which his team won). As a member of a national team -- the Israel national baseball team. And yes - the ballplayer is a starter on a team that has qualified to play in the Olympics in July. Which in half a year will be yet another reason he will deserve an article. But no need to wait till then. We can let readers interested in looking at this player on a team that has qualified for the Olympics see his page now, before the first pitch is thrown in the Olympics - because he already is notable under WP policy. (Plus, it would be peculiar to wait until then - how would that be helpful to readers who want to learn about the players on the six qualifying teams, before the first pitch?) 2604:2000:E010:1100:580F:1D87:8D13:5C7C ( talk) 19:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- All of the coverage listed is routine coverage you would expect to see of any college ballplayer/drafted minor leaguer, and participants in the European Baseball Championships and Olympics qualifiers are NOT deemed automatically notable. This is a clear cut delete, though I'm happy with a draftify result if he ends up playing for the team in the Olympics. SportingFlyer T· C 19:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- It is perhaps less than completely accurate for SF to assert the above - rather, the half dozen GNG articles devoted to the ballplayer focus in part on his being a member of Team Israel and challenging a single-season league batting record and being Olympics-bound, all of which is not what one would "expect to see". And anyway, if a player meets GNG, we of course don't care what the GNG articles focus on. And as to this meeting WP:BASEBALL/N as well, this is already addressed above. 2604:2000:E010:1100:580F:1D87:8D13:5C7C ( talk) 19:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer: I do not believe all of it is routine. [1] [2] [3] are not routine and alone are enough to meet GNG. Typically 3 is all these discussions seem to need. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 20:04, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- The Trinity Tigers article is clearly primary and fails WP:GNG. The trib.com article's still routine as local coverage of a summer collegiate league - if we included this type of coverage, almost every collegiate league ballplayer would be considered notable, but we tend to keep only players who have made the majors or players who have received national coverage, i.e. actually notable ballplayers. Furthermore, the Israeli Olympics team has not yet been announced. If he is not on the Olympics team, he has not established notability as a baseball player, so we can't keep this article. SportingFlyer T· C 20:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - There is enough to meet WP:GNG. In addition with him already being announced to be on the Olympics team this article would absolutely meet the criteria in a few months, so why delete now and recreate soon thereafter. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 19:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Plenty of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 21:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment a lot of the refs are similar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reg595 ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Blocked. Note: the above account, Reg595, is blocked with an expiration time of indefinite for abusing multiple accounts. 2604:2000:E010:1100:B58C:8A75:F43C:4BA5 ( talk) 19:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Given that in addition to the above, the editors User:Gilabrand and User:Zvikorn had also indicated yesterday that they found this notable at Talk:Jeremy Wolf, I wonder if we are perhaps approaching Snow Keep territory? 2604:2000:E010:1100:118C:54FB:230E:E5C5 ( talk) 09:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as fails the notability guideline for baseball players. I will happily undelete it on request if he plays at the Olympics and becomes notable by virtue of that. Number 5 7 15:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep this person meets WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. Wm335td ( talk) 20:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Notability established by sources. No reason for deletion.-- Geewhiz ( talk) 12:58, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:GNG, per all above. WP:GNG trumps WP:NBASE. In addition, he will very likely meet WP:NOLYMPICS in a few months, too. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 06:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Meets notability standards. — Insertcleverphrasehere ( or here)( click me!) 23:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 19:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Jeremy Wolf
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Easily fails WP:NBASE. Played international baseball, but not for a NBASE-qualifying tournament, and all of the references are about his low-level college career or minor league career. SportingFlyer T· C 18:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T· C 18:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T· C 18:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T· C 18:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. First we have the GNG articles devoted to him (Tyler Dunn (October 3, 2019). "Jeremy Wolf's path to Aliyah and Team Israel". Cronkite News; "Former Tiger All-American Jeremy Wolf Gives Back to Baseball". Trinity (TX). May 29, 2019; Orsborn, Tom (May 22, 2015). "Wolf making his mark at Trinity with his bat, personality". Express News; Sypa, Steve (July 25, 2016). "2016 Mets draft profile: OF Jeremy Wolf". Amazin' Avenue; "Tiger All-American Jeremy Wolf Drafted by New York Mets". Trinity (TX). June 11, 2016; Robus, Clint (July 8, 2013). "MCBL baseball: Wolf challenging single-season league batting record". Casper Star-Tribune; and "Trinity Alum Wolf '16 Part of Olympics-Bound Israeli Baseball Team". Trinity (TX). September 26, 2019.). And then, further, he is notable, under WP:BASEBALL/N. Which says "Baseball figures are presumed notable if they ... have participated in a major international competition (such as the World Baseball Classic, Baseball World Cup or Olympics) as a member of a national team." He has participated, as a starter in fact, in two major international competitions of that nature (Note: the above list is an e.g. list, not an i.e. list): both the 2019 European Baseball Championship and the two-continent Africa/Europe 2020 Olympic Qualification tournament (which his team won). As a member of a national team -- the Israel national baseball team. And yes - the ballplayer is a starter on a team that has qualified to play in the Olympics in July. Which in half a year will be yet another reason he will deserve an article. But no need to wait till then. We can let readers interested in looking at this player on a team that has qualified for the Olympics see his page now, before the first pitch is thrown in the Olympics - because he already is notable under WP policy. (Plus, it would be peculiar to wait until then - how would that be helpful to readers who want to learn about the players on the six qualifying teams, before the first pitch?) 2604:2000:E010:1100:580F:1D87:8D13:5C7C ( talk) 19:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- All of the coverage listed is routine coverage you would expect to see of any college ballplayer/drafted minor leaguer, and participants in the European Baseball Championships and Olympics qualifiers are NOT deemed automatically notable. This is a clear cut delete, though I'm happy with a draftify result if he ends up playing for the team in the Olympics. SportingFlyer T· C 19:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- It is perhaps less than completely accurate for SF to assert the above - rather, the half dozen GNG articles devoted to the ballplayer focus in part on his being a member of Team Israel and challenging a single-season league batting record and being Olympics-bound, all of which is not what one would "expect to see". And anyway, if a player meets GNG, we of course don't care what the GNG articles focus on. And as to this meeting WP:BASEBALL/N as well, this is already addressed above. 2604:2000:E010:1100:580F:1D87:8D13:5C7C ( talk) 19:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer: I do not believe all of it is routine. [1] [2] [3] are not routine and alone are enough to meet GNG. Typically 3 is all these discussions seem to need. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 20:04, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- The Trinity Tigers article is clearly primary and fails WP:GNG. The trib.com article's still routine as local coverage of a summer collegiate league - if we included this type of coverage, almost every collegiate league ballplayer would be considered notable, but we tend to keep only players who have made the majors or players who have received national coverage, i.e. actually notable ballplayers. Furthermore, the Israeli Olympics team has not yet been announced. If he is not on the Olympics team, he has not established notability as a baseball player, so we can't keep this article. SportingFlyer T· C 20:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - There is enough to meet WP:GNG. In addition with him already being announced to be on the Olympics team this article would absolutely meet the criteria in a few months, so why delete now and recreate soon thereafter. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 19:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Plenty of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 21:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment a lot of the refs are similar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reg595 ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Blocked. Note: the above account, Reg595, is blocked with an expiration time of indefinite for abusing multiple accounts. 2604:2000:E010:1100:B58C:8A75:F43C:4BA5 ( talk) 19:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Given that in addition to the above, the editors User:Gilabrand and User:Zvikorn had also indicated yesterday that they found this notable at Talk:Jeremy Wolf, I wonder if we are perhaps approaching Snow Keep territory? 2604:2000:E010:1100:118C:54FB:230E:E5C5 ( talk) 09:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as fails the notability guideline for baseball players. I will happily undelete it on request if he plays at the Olympics and becomes notable by virtue of that. Number 5 7 15:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep this person meets WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. Wm335td ( talk) 20:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Notability established by sources. No reason for deletion.-- Geewhiz ( talk) 12:58, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:GNG, per all above. WP:GNG trumps WP:NBASE. In addition, he will very likely meet WP:NOLYMPICS in a few months, too. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 06:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Meets notability standards. — Insertcleverphrasehere ( or here)( click me!) 23:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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