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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 15:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Jean-Pierre Birabent
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I dont think we are getting an WP:NPROF pass with this engineer and teacher, let alone a GNG one. The two given sources are lapidary notices rather than in-depth obituaries. Various publications that appear to be his can be found [1] but are very weakly cited (which may be a hazard of publishing about Occitan/Gascon linguistics). -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Underrepresented minority, but not notable. I was able to find only one other mention of him [2] and it is very brief. Additionally, I was unable to find reviews for any of his publications. Curbon7 ( talk) 15:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and France. Curbon7 ( talk) 15:57, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- I do not even know whether I am allowed to post my opinion here. If so, let me say Keep. I am just saddened by the evolution of wikipedia, anyway, which is just joining the host of genocidary behaviours against our Occitan/Gascon culture. --— J. F. B. ( me´n parlar) 16:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Little less drama please? WP is not engaging in " genocidary behaviours against Occitan/Gascon culture", people are merely observing fundamental policies like WP:Notability. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 17:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't care what color he is or where he's from, he needs to pass notability standards here. Please refrain from such accusations. Oaktree b ( talk) 17:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I've limited it to .fr webpages and he has 4 pages in google hits, most of the first page are obituaries, the rest are listings of his books or things that mention him in passing. He's simply not at GNG. I found one thesis covering his work, he might be closer with AUTHOR, but I can't find any critical reviews. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Are any of those obituaries more expansive than the cited ones? --
Elmidae (
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18:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- They're not stories about him, more like the funeral cards you used to get at the funeral, but posted on-line now. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Are any of those obituaries more expansive than the cited ones? --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs)
18:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Firstly, to the article creator
Jfblanc: we all know how disappointing it can be when an article we spent time to create is put up for deletion. Please know that there is no conspiracy here to commit "genocide" against Occitan/Gascon culture. The word genocide is a very strong word, and there are actual genocides that have taken place and are taking place in the world, and this is not one of them. The vast majority of editors here are kind and thoughtful people who would not try to harm other cultures or peoples. The notability criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia have been determined over a period of many years through community consensus. We need these standards to insure the integrity of content. Moving on, I searched online for sources about Mr. Birabent, and I also searched under the Occitan spelling of his name, Joan Pèr Viravent, and was unable to find anything in the way of significant coverage
WP:SIGCOV in verifiable reliable sources
WP:RS. At this time, he does not pass
WP:GNG nor
WP:NACADEMIC. If you are able to find and post links to support his notability, post them here. A deletion discussion goes for a week, so if sources exist there is the possibility to save the article from deletion. Please assume good faith in your fellow editors.
Netherzone (
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01:42, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- OK, I will go back to my language wiki, another lost battle anyway. (And yes, there are pretty well documented genocides, we are all allowed to talk about, and some a bit uglier, because involving today's dominant cultures. But I see this is not a place for discussion, only for "compliance with rules". So many ugly things happened in history that were legal or compliant with rules... ) Enjoy your society meetings. — J. F. B. ( me´n parlar) 06:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. This looks like it would need to show notability through WP:GNG rather than through WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR, since the claim to fame is being the first to teach in Gascon rather than through impact of scholarly publications. The two references in the article as nominated are not very in-depth. This one from an Occitan language society is longer, but longer by being more flowery rather than by providing significantly more specific detail about his life. This local newspaper story (by the same author) has the same issue. So while I think these sources may be reliable, I am skeptical that they have the required depth for GNG. I would be willing to change my mind if other sources with better depth of coverage turn up. — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 15:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Jean-Pierre Birabent
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- Jean-Pierre Birabent ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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I dont think we are getting an WP:NPROF pass with this engineer and teacher, let alone a GNG one. The two given sources are lapidary notices rather than in-depth obituaries. Various publications that appear to be his can be found [1] but are very weakly cited (which may be a hazard of publishing about Occitan/Gascon linguistics). -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Underrepresented minority, but not notable. I was able to find only one other mention of him [2] and it is very brief. Additionally, I was unable to find reviews for any of his publications. Curbon7 ( talk) 15:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and France. Curbon7 ( talk) 15:57, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- I do not even know whether I am allowed to post my opinion here. If so, let me say Keep. I am just saddened by the evolution of wikipedia, anyway, which is just joining the host of genocidary behaviours against our Occitan/Gascon culture. --— J. F. B. ( me´n parlar) 16:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Little less drama please? WP is not engaging in " genocidary behaviours against Occitan/Gascon culture", people are merely observing fundamental policies like WP:Notability. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 17:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't care what color he is or where he's from, he needs to pass notability standards here. Please refrain from such accusations. Oaktree b ( talk) 17:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I've limited it to .fr webpages and he has 4 pages in google hits, most of the first page are obituaries, the rest are listings of his books or things that mention him in passing. He's simply not at GNG. I found one thesis covering his work, he might be closer with AUTHOR, but I can't find any critical reviews. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Are any of those obituaries more expansive than the cited ones? --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs)
18:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- They're not stories about him, more like the funeral cards you used to get at the funeral, but posted on-line now. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Are any of those obituaries more expansive than the cited ones? --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs)
18:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Firstly, to the article creator
Jfblanc: we all know how disappointing it can be when an article we spent time to create is put up for deletion. Please know that there is no conspiracy here to commit "genocide" against Occitan/Gascon culture. The word genocide is a very strong word, and there are actual genocides that have taken place and are taking place in the world, and this is not one of them. The vast majority of editors here are kind and thoughtful people who would not try to harm other cultures or peoples. The notability criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia have been determined over a period of many years through community consensus. We need these standards to insure the integrity of content. Moving on, I searched online for sources about Mr. Birabent, and I also searched under the Occitan spelling of his name, Joan Pèr Viravent, and was unable to find anything in the way of significant coverage
WP:SIGCOV in verifiable reliable sources
WP:RS. At this time, he does not pass
WP:GNG nor
WP:NACADEMIC. If you are able to find and post links to support his notability, post them here. A deletion discussion goes for a week, so if sources exist there is the possibility to save the article from deletion. Please assume good faith in your fellow editors.
Netherzone (
talk)
01:42, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- OK, I will go back to my language wiki, another lost battle anyway. (And yes, there are pretty well documented genocides, we are all allowed to talk about, and some a bit uglier, because involving today's dominant cultures. But I see this is not a place for discussion, only for "compliance with rules". So many ugly things happened in history that were legal or compliant with rules... ) Enjoy your society meetings. — J. F. B. ( me´n parlar) 06:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. This looks like it would need to show notability through WP:GNG rather than through WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR, since the claim to fame is being the first to teach in Gascon rather than through impact of scholarly publications. The two references in the article as nominated are not very in-depth. This one from an Occitan language society is longer, but longer by being more flowery rather than by providing significantly more specific detail about his life. This local newspaper story (by the same author) has the same issue. So while I think these sources may be reliable, I am skeptical that they have the required depth for GNG. I would be willing to change my mind if other sources with better depth of coverage turn up. — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.