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The result was delete. Tone 20:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
James H. Stuart
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As written, fails both basic and additional guidelines of WP:NOTE, WP:NBIO, and WP:POLITICIAN. Being major of a local government requires the subject to meet WP:NOTE, for which there'd have to be non-trivial press coverage (that is, on matters other than routine municipal business or election campaigning), a book-length biographical account published, and then they would have to meet "regional prominence" criteria, which may or may not be met but which is subject to the caveat that the article must state something more than John (or Jane) Doe was mayor of Cityville. Doug Mehus ( talk) 18:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Doug Mehus ( talk) 18:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete, without prejudice against recreation if somebody can do better. Unlike Colin Basran, whose depth of coverage I can easily vouch for because he's the current incumbent and thus his coverage Googles well, Stuart's term in office predates my ability to locate any suitable sources — even the databases I can dig into for older pregooglable media coverage don't include Kelowna papers prior to the early 2000s, so I can't establish whether or not it's possible to write or source anything of substance here. If somebody else with better access to the archives of the Kelowna Daily Courier is willing and able to tackle writing something much more substantial than "he existed and here's a primary source to prove it, the end", then that could change things — but we can only evaluate notability on the basis of sources that are shown to exist, not those that are merely presumed to exist, so he can't be exempted from having to clear NPOL #2 on the sourcing just because we assume there's probably other coverage we can't actually find. Bearcat ( talk) 19:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Bearcat, Agree. If I ever get time, I'll try and use my Okanagan Regional Library access to look up sources, though recent Courier articles are problematic since the Courier stopped licensing their content to libraries.
- Delete a mayor of a place that does not provide default notability and sourcing comes no where close to passing the general notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- Weak delete - the city of which he was mayor has a population of 127,380, which is borderline, pardon the pun. There are insufficient sources. Bearian ( talk) 14:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 20:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
James H. Stuart
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As written, fails both basic and additional guidelines of WP:NOTE, WP:NBIO, and WP:POLITICIAN. Being major of a local government requires the subject to meet WP:NOTE, for which there'd have to be non-trivial press coverage (that is, on matters other than routine municipal business or election campaigning), a book-length biographical account published, and then they would have to meet "regional prominence" criteria, which may or may not be met but which is subject to the caveat that the article must state something more than John (or Jane) Doe was mayor of Cityville. Doug Mehus ( talk) 18:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Doug Mehus ( talk) 18:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Doug Mehus ( talk) 18:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, without prejudice against recreation if somebody can do better. Unlike Colin Basran, whose depth of coverage I can easily vouch for because he's the current incumbent and thus his coverage Googles well, Stuart's term in office predates my ability to locate any suitable sources — even the databases I can dig into for older pregooglable media coverage don't include Kelowna papers prior to the early 2000s, so I can't establish whether or not it's possible to write or source anything of substance here. If somebody else with better access to the archives of the Kelowna Daily Courier is willing and able to tackle writing something much more substantial than "he existed and here's a primary source to prove it, the end", then that could change things — but we can only evaluate notability on the basis of sources that are shown to exist, not those that are merely presumed to exist, so he can't be exempted from having to clear NPOL #2 on the sourcing just because we assume there's probably other coverage we can't actually find. Bearcat ( talk) 19:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Bearcat, Agree. If I ever get time, I'll try and use my Okanagan Regional Library access to look up sources, though recent Courier articles are problematic since the Courier stopped licensing their content to libraries.
- Delete a mayor of a place that does not provide default notability and sourcing comes no where close to passing the general notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- Weak delete - the city of which he was mayor has a population of 127,380, which is borderline, pardon the pun. There are insufficient sources. Bearian ( talk) 14:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.