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The result was delete. The more detailed source analysis by delete !voters carries the day. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 16:14, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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Article has been notability-tagged since 2011 and is all OR. Sources are a personal letter and a broken link. Quick search only turns-up some blogs and other pages on a different person having the same name. Agricola44 ( talk) 16:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep This is a poor article, but Jacques Ovadia was certainly a notable person. There are scores (at least) of good-quality references to be found on Google, and many book references. Significantly, he is included in Leaving the 20th Century, the first major collection of Situationist texts. The article should be improved (it reads like a poor translation), but not deleted. RolandR ( talk) 12:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- edit instead of deletion : creator of article should add more reliable sources also i think its notable for Wikipedia Lifeisstudyinghard ( talk) 14:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC) — Lifeisstudyinghard ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Delete I make no claim to understanding Situationist International, nevertheless leftist intellectual movements and their admirers in later generations do publish endlessly about themselves. I therefore expected that a couple of quick searched in gBooks, JSTOR and similar would turn him up. Not so. Leaving the 20th Century: The Incomplete Work of the Situationist International merely lists him name on a list of "members of Situationist International" tha tstarts on p. 132 and by the bottom of the page is still only up to members whose names start with the letter "C" . This is a minor book, 1998, non-bluelinked author, Rebel Press. A handful of Ovadia's old article some up. Then, this mention "Signal pour commencer une culture révolutionnaire en Israël par Jacques Ovadia " in a more significant looking book Textes et documents situationnistes: 1957-1960, By Gérard Berreby, Editions Allia, 2004, p. 192. Plus a citation of his thoughts on the necessity of agents provocateurs to revolution in L'amère victoire du situationnisme: pour une histoire critique de l'Internationale Situationniste : 1957-1972, By Gianfranco Marelli, p. 136, Editions Sulliver, 1998. That's the best I can do. It doesn't look like enough to support WP:BASIC. No prejudice against keeping if someone can find sources to support notability. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete: "Leaving The Twentieth Century" edited by Chris Gray (situationist) had sufficiently broad influence to possibly merit an article in its own right rather than being "minor". Anyway, on to Ovadia. The table in Gray's 1974 book was derived from Raspaud & Voyer's 1972 Champ Libre reference book. Ovadia barely figures in their tables of SI members or chronology, gone sometime in 1961, nor in Debord's Correspondance for 1961. The authorship of a single article (IS no.4 p22-23) with no apparent subsequent effect other than the anthologisation and quotation mentioned above seem too flimsy as evidence for biographical notability. Nor does association with Céline or acquiring some art works provide WP:ANYBIO notability. AllyD ( talk) 09:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The more detailed source analysis by delete !voters carries the day. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 16:14, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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Article has been notability-tagged since 2011 and is all OR. Sources are a personal letter and a broken link. Quick search only turns-up some blogs and other pages on a different person having the same name. Agricola44 ( talk) 16:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep This is a poor article, but Jacques Ovadia was certainly a notable person. There are scores (at least) of good-quality references to be found on Google, and many book references. Significantly, he is included in Leaving the 20th Century, the first major collection of Situationist texts. The article should be improved (it reads like a poor translation), but not deleted. RolandR ( talk) 12:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- edit instead of deletion : creator of article should add more reliable sources also i think its notable for Wikipedia Lifeisstudyinghard ( talk) 14:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC) — Lifeisstudyinghard ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- User:Lifeisstudyinghard has been blocked for sockpuppetry. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:16, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete I make no claim to understanding Situationist International, nevertheless leftist intellectual movements and their admirers in later generations do publish endlessly about themselves. I therefore expected that a couple of quick searched in gBooks, JSTOR and similar would turn him up. Not so. Leaving the 20th Century: The Incomplete Work of the Situationist International merely lists him name on a list of "members of Situationist International" tha tstarts on p. 132 and by the bottom of the page is still only up to members whose names start with the letter "C" . This is a minor book, 1998, non-bluelinked author, Rebel Press. A handful of Ovadia's old article some up. Then, this mention "Signal pour commencer une culture révolutionnaire en Israël par Jacques Ovadia " in a more significant looking book Textes et documents situationnistes: 1957-1960, By Gérard Berreby, Editions Allia, 2004, p. 192. Plus a citation of his thoughts on the necessity of agents provocateurs to revolution in L'amère victoire du situationnisme: pour une histoire critique de l'Internationale Situationniste : 1957-1972, By Gianfranco Marelli, p. 136, Editions Sulliver, 1998. That's the best I can do. It doesn't look like enough to support WP:BASIC. No prejudice against keeping if someone can find sources to support notability. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni ( talk) 21:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni ( talk) 21:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: "Leaving The Twentieth Century" edited by Chris Gray (situationist) had sufficiently broad influence to possibly merit an article in its own right rather than being "minor". Anyway, on to Ovadia. The table in Gray's 1974 book was derived from Raspaud & Voyer's 1972 Champ Libre reference book. Ovadia barely figures in their tables of SI members or chronology, gone sometime in 1961, nor in Debord's Correspondance for 1961. The authorship of a single article (IS no.4 p22-23) with no apparent subsequent effect other than the anthologisation and quotation mentioned above seem too flimsy as evidence for biographical notability. Nor does association with Céline or acquiring some art works provide WP:ANYBIO notability. AllyD ( talk) 09:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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