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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:34, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Ioannis Vatatzeia
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Per previous PROD, and my comments at an identical draft. This article is an egregious case of WP:OR. It mixes up a number of things---the (real) religious veneration of Vatatzes, as indicated in his article; the celebration of festivals of pagan origin at his court in the 13th century; a modern festival organized by the local see of Didymoteicho; spurious claims that this was celebrated by Greek emigrants to the US (no mention of such in the sources provided); and a completely invented name , "Ioannis Vatatzeia", that does not and could not exist in Greek, as it is completely ungrammatical---all tenuously related, and suggests a coherent narrative where there is none. The same information is already contained in the article on Vatatzes, in a more factual context. The accounts associated with these articles ( User:LilaDelany and lately User:Yiayiasonny) are also suspect, as they appear to be typical WP:SPA. Constantine ✍ 21:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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Comment True, the title is absurd; makes no sense in Greek, as already observed. It is not "Iωάννης Βατάτζεια" (Ioannis Vatatzeia), but just "Βατάτζεια" (Vatatzeia), meaning in Greek "about/in honor of Vatatzis". His name "Iωάννης" (Ioannis) cannot be added to "Βατάτζεια" (Vatatzeia), this is not proper Greek; cf this article about "Βατάτζεια 2015" @ ThakiToday.com. —— Chalk19 ( talk) 07:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment I note that a SPI has found that all accounts involved in the articles linked to this topic and promoting this topic are the socks. This speaks as to the reliability and intentions of the article creator(s). If this ends in deletion, Draft:Ioannis Vatatzeia Draft should be included as well. Constantine ✍ 18:31, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Delete. It already exists the well documented article John III Doukas Vatatzes on him, where there is a "Legacy" section as well, including information about those who looked back upon him as "the Father of the Greeks", and his feast day at Didymoteicho. —— Chalk19 ( talk) 14:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:34, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Ioannis Vatatzeia
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Per previous PROD, and my comments at an identical draft. This article is an egregious case of WP:OR. It mixes up a number of things---the (real) religious veneration of Vatatzes, as indicated in his article; the celebration of festivals of pagan origin at his court in the 13th century; a modern festival organized by the local see of Didymoteicho; spurious claims that this was celebrated by Greek emigrants to the US (no mention of such in the sources provided); and a completely invented name , "Ioannis Vatatzeia", that does not and could not exist in Greek, as it is completely ungrammatical---all tenuously related, and suggests a coherent narrative where there is none. The same information is already contained in the article on Vatatzes, in a more factual context. The accounts associated with these articles ( User:LilaDelany and lately User:Yiayiasonny) are also suspect, as they appear to be typical WP:SPA. Constantine ✍ 21:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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Comment True, the title is absurd; makes no sense in Greek, as already observed. It is not "Iωάννης Βατάτζεια" (Ioannis Vatatzeia), but just "Βατάτζεια" (Vatatzeia), meaning in Greek "about/in honor of Vatatzis". His name "Iωάννης" (Ioannis) cannot be added to "Βατάτζεια" (Vatatzeia), this is not proper Greek; cf this article about "Βατάτζεια 2015" @ ThakiToday.com. —— Chalk19 ( talk) 07:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment I note that a SPI has found that all accounts involved in the articles linked to this topic and promoting this topic are the socks. This speaks as to the reliability and intentions of the article creator(s). If this ends in deletion, Draft:Ioannis Vatatzeia Draft should be included as well. Constantine ✍ 18:31, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Delete. It already exists the well documented article John III Doukas Vatatzes on him, where there is a "Legacy" section as well, including information about those who looked back upon him as "the Father of the Greeks", and his feast day at Didymoteicho. —— Chalk19 ( talk) 14:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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