- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Draftify. The Delete views make good points. But if there are editors familiar with our notability guidelines willing to work on the page in draftspace, I see no immediate imperative to remove it. Owen× ☎ 23:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Invasion of the United States
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Article has substantial issues including general copy-editing, severe lack of sources for much of what is stated, and is a general mishmash of actual "invasions", speculative ideas about potential invasions, and (until recent edits) covering completely non-related topics such as nuclear and cyberattacks.
Believe article should be moved to draft given the significant levels of issues. Rambling Rambler ( talk) 21:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and United States of America. Rambling Rambler ( talk) 21:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify Even with the nom's rightful removal of sci-fi cryptofacist fanfiction that took the article completely off the rails, this article is in need of serious help and sourcing, maybe even an entirely new title. As is, 'invasion' is doing very heavy lifting here, as only Pearl Harbor and Imperial Army attempts to get to the mainland during WWII could really be considered as such. Nate • ( chatter) 00:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A reasonable person could absolutely make the case that putting all these disparate events into one article isn't WP:OR, but it feels like OR to me. The burning of DC during the War of 1812 and Pearl Harbor and the start of the Mexican-American War are all important events that should (and do) have their own coverage, but putting them all together without directly addressing that they are in most respects very different events seems like the passive suggestion of a connection that may not be merited in fact or sourcing. I think it's possible to write an article that is not subject to this problem, but it would look very different from this one. Off the top of my head, it's that "invasion" suggests that one party was the aggressor, and the relationships between America-Britain, America-Mexico, and America-Japan right before the invasion events were all very different. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 22:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I can see no purpose in draftifying; this article is a mess of pure WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 00:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fine as a category. In theory "Invasions of the United States" could be something, but better to start from scratch. Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 12:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- As currently written, this is probably a WP:COATRACK. Nevertheless, I would be inclined to keep, but make it as a List page. As of note, we have a disambig. page Invasion USA. My very best wishes ( talk) 17:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Serves no real purpose. Way too much SYNTH. Also, the redirect has nothing to do with this page. It's referencing movie titles and a single album. Intothat darkness 19:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as it is a jumble of WP:SYNTH. - Amigao ( talk) 22:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify: This piece has marked content and sourcing issues. Draftifying will allow us to enhance its flow, sources, and quality. It will allow a complete redo of the article. It will help us discern recorded facts from guesses and unrelated topics, including cyber and nuclear attacks. Once these edits are made, the article will be ready for reentry into the main space.-- AstridMitch ( talk) 06:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with WP:TNT. List of invasions of the United States would be a valid article. This isn't that article, and the only content in it that might survive an edit to become that article is the "in pop culture" section at the end. -- asilvering ( talk) 02:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete See no reason to keep as List of foreign military attacks on United States territory covers notable instances anyway. Shotgunheist 💬 16:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete a rambling essay; List of foreign military attacks on United States territory covers the notable parts. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Draftify. The Delete views make good points. But if there are editors familiar with our notability guidelines willing to work on the page in draftspace, I see no immediate imperative to remove it. Owen× ☎ 23:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Invasion of the United States
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- Invasion of the United States ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article has substantial issues including general copy-editing, severe lack of sources for much of what is stated, and is a general mishmash of actual "invasions", speculative ideas about potential invasions, and (until recent edits) covering completely non-related topics such as nuclear and cyberattacks.
Believe article should be moved to draft given the significant levels of issues. Rambling Rambler ( talk) 21:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and United States of America. Rambling Rambler ( talk) 21:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify Even with the nom's rightful removal of sci-fi cryptofacist fanfiction that took the article completely off the rails, this article is in need of serious help and sourcing, maybe even an entirely new title. As is, 'invasion' is doing very heavy lifting here, as only Pearl Harbor and Imperial Army attempts to get to the mainland during WWII could really be considered as such. Nate • ( chatter) 00:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A reasonable person could absolutely make the case that putting all these disparate events into one article isn't WP:OR, but it feels like OR to me. The burning of DC during the War of 1812 and Pearl Harbor and the start of the Mexican-American War are all important events that should (and do) have their own coverage, but putting them all together without directly addressing that they are in most respects very different events seems like the passive suggestion of a connection that may not be merited in fact or sourcing. I think it's possible to write an article that is not subject to this problem, but it would look very different from this one. Off the top of my head, it's that "invasion" suggests that one party was the aggressor, and the relationships between America-Britain, America-Mexico, and America-Japan right before the invasion events were all very different. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 22:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I can see no purpose in draftifying; this article is a mess of pure WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 00:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fine as a category. In theory "Invasions of the United States" could be something, but better to start from scratch. Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 12:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- As currently written, this is probably a WP:COATRACK. Nevertheless, I would be inclined to keep, but make it as a List page. As of note, we have a disambig. page Invasion USA. My very best wishes ( talk) 17:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Serves no real purpose. Way too much SYNTH. Also, the redirect has nothing to do with this page. It's referencing movie titles and a single album. Intothat darkness 19:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as it is a jumble of WP:SYNTH. - Amigao ( talk) 22:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify: This piece has marked content and sourcing issues. Draftifying will allow us to enhance its flow, sources, and quality. It will allow a complete redo of the article. It will help us discern recorded facts from guesses and unrelated topics, including cyber and nuclear attacks. Once these edits are made, the article will be ready for reentry into the main space.-- AstridMitch ( talk) 06:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with WP:TNT. List of invasions of the United States would be a valid article. This isn't that article, and the only content in it that might survive an edit to become that article is the "in pop culture" section at the end. -- asilvering ( talk) 02:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete See no reason to keep as List of foreign military attacks on United States territory covers notable instances anyway. Shotgunheist 💬 16:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete a rambling essay; List of foreign military attacks on United States territory covers the notable parts. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.