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The result was merge to RLV Technology Demonstration Programme. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC) reply

Indian Space Shuttle Programme

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This page just gives the information about the already present RLV-TD and also some unverified reports about a "Hyper-Plane" project. The Indian Media Reports the RLV-TD as "Indian Space Shuttle". This could have led to confusion and therefore the creation of a separate page. I thus think this article is worth for deletion. M.srihari ( talk) 06:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC)Srihari reply

Comment: RLV Technology Demonstration Programme, the target of one of the links above, is in an even worse state than the article under discussion. Maproom ( talk) 07:34, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply

Yeah, That's true. Serious Repair work need to be done in that page. Perhaps, with some government Approved Data( http://www.isro.gov.in/technology-development-programmes/reusable-launch-vehicle-technology-demonstration-program-rlv-td). And, Your views on Indian Space shuttle?( http://www.pc-tablet.co.in/2015/05/23/9082/india-builds-indigenous-reusable-space-shuttle-test-july-2015/) M.srihari ( talk) 07:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)Srihari reply

• Delete Indian Space Shuttle Programme. The articles Indian Space Shuttle Programme, RLV Technology Demonstration Programme and Avatar (spacecraft) are highly confusing and an ordinary reader cannot perceive the difference between those projects. If Avatar and ISSP are two different projects, there has to be more than a source suggesting that one of the project, apparently ISSP, was abandoned. But there were no such news of such an abandoned project and to add to this, the word Indian Space Shuttle Programme is the name of a non-existing program!?

  In the end of 1980s and beginning of 1990s India had plans to develop the small Space Shuttle named Hyperplane that would to be orbited by non-reusable launchers. Then plans differed to project Avatar (spacecraft) as a single-stage system.

  are the only lines in the article which suggests avatar is different from ISSP. If that's the case, the first sentence doesn't have a source, and the second sentence is highly confusing. I suspect a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Avatar will also be a single stage system after the test flights. ISSP, as stated in the source, is noted as a vertical take-off vehicle. Coincidentally, RLV-TD is also a vertical take off vehicle. Avatar is an SSTO and RLV-TD is an TSTO. But even this could be challenged by the primary source (ISRO) which states,

  RLV-TD is a series of technology demonstration missions that have been considered as a first step towards realizing a Two Stage To Orbit (TSTO) fully re-usable vehicle.

  since RLV-TD is the first step towards Avatar, does that mean Avatar is a TSTO? The images used in the sources of ISSP are identical to the Avatar or RLV-TD. As only one source suggests that ISSP is different from Avatar which does not coherently explain the aspects, I consider this a WP:CRYSTALBALL and support the deletion. P.S, I reserve the right to change my decision if someone comes with a better explanation/source and clears the dubiousness. -- JAaron95 ( Talk) 08:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC), edited--05:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Comment I have no knowledge of an Indian space shuttle and so I have no !vote at this time. Note though that this is not a space shuttle, it is an article on a space shuttle, and it is not about a space shuttle itself, it's about the programme around one. So it does not matter if there was a space shuttle or not, there can still be a an article about it. If "Let's build a space shuttle" became a topic of debate in the Indian parliament or ISRO, then that's enough for an article. If it then turned into no more than a political scandal (with no aerospace work at all), but maybe some bribery or pork-barrelling (these things happen a lot around large government programs) then it could still be a notable topic. Andy Dingley ( talk) 09:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Merge to RLV Technology Demonstration Programme and possibly rename Indian space shuttle programme. This project/ship appears to be commonly referred to as a space shuttle, and that is a better descriptive title than the generic "RLV technology demonstration." [1] —Мандичка ^YO 😜 10:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply

Merge to RLV Technology Demonstration Programme, it one and the same. Don't need two redundant articles. N2e ( talk) 17:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply

• Merge the two articles since there's a bit of non-overlapping content, once that's done, the title should be that of this article since this is the more generic name while the other is project specific. — Spaceman Spiff 19:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Merge the two articles. No reason for essentially redundant articles, imo. - Fnlayson ( talk) 21:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Delete As non-notable; effectively something that never actually happened. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 10:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Delete Was never more than a concept, thoroughly fails WP:GNG, no actual content in article. Scr★pIron ^IV 17:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Merge as some users suggested because the program itself is not notable. This topic is closely related to "Avatar" project and RLV-TD, so it is better to merge. Supdiop ^talk 10:53, 13 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Merge; this article is about something entirely theoretical, but still possibly contains some nuggets of information—not enough for an article, but perhaps for a section of an article, such as noted above. Or, as SpacemanSpiff suggested, merge RLV Technology with this article. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 22:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Delete The page may be created out of good faith instead of vandalism, but is highly unnecessary. Mao Martin ( talk) 14:53, 20 June 2015 (UTC)Mao reply

Note - The above user is a confirmed sockpuppet of M.srihari (nominator). Supdiop (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• Merge to RLV Technology Demonstration Programme. The information here doesn't need to be in a separate page. APerson ( talk!) 18:07, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply

• Comment This page is a duplicate of an entry in the the World Heritage Encyclopedia: INDIAN SPACE SHUTTLE PROGRAMME. Which is released under CC by SA. I don't know enough to say if there is new content here, main new thing is suggestion "In the end of 1980s and beginning of 1990s India had plans to develop the small Space Shuttle named Hyperplane that would to be orbited by non-reusable launchers." Can't find any evidence yet in a google search that it did. If it did, then presumably not a major initiative. If that's so, I'd go with merge, and mention this in one of the other articles. If it didn't, then there doesn't seem to be any new content here at all. Users may search for "Indian Space Shuttle Program" - so I wonder if a redirect might be better than a delete if there is nothing to preserve. Robert Walker ( talk) 03:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Comment Note though that this page is an entry in Template:Indian space programme so if decision is made that it is no longer needed, a redirect would be better than a delete, or that template should be edited.
• Comment Another thought - this title is better than the other two as a general article on the Indian space shuttle program, as it covers them both rather than just one or the other project. Maybe this article should be edited to summarize the other two projects, plus any information about a previous space shuttle plan if there was one? Basically take the ledes of the other two articles and merge them back into this one. They are all rather "stubs" - depending on some enthusiast with detailedd knowledge of the Indian human spaceflight program to expand them. So maybe we should just keep them all separate but improve this one in that way... Robert Walker ( talk) 03:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC) reply
  • @ Robertinventor:: World Heritage Encyclopaedia is a mirror of our article(s). A merge and using this title does appear to be the best option.— Spaceman Spiff 04:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Comment I think the name "Indian Space Shuttle" is a media buff. Using it as the name of a page or a section might be confusing as the name space shuttle belongs to that of US RLV. So, naming the section as Indian TSTO might be helpful. Mao Martin ( talk) 05:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Mao block evasion reply
• Merge with RLV Technology Demonstration Programme, which is not a great article, but if the two concepts are one and the same, that other title is more neutral. Lankiveil ^{( speak to me)} 03:46, 4 July 2015 (UTC). reply

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