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The result was delete. v/r - T P 03:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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Article dePRODded by creator. PROD reason was "Non-notable journal. No independent sources, not indexed in any selective database. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." DePROD edit summary refers to ISSN and independent sources posted on the talk page. I have examined every one of these sources. The three articles in the Times of India all just refer to a person, adding "(former) editor of the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics", so these are basically only in-passing mentions and may contribute to the possible notability of the persons mentioned, but not this journal. One of the sources is a letter to the editor of the British Journal of Psychiatry and just mentions "The authors are editors of the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics". Again, an in-passing mention only. The article in Bloomberg addresses an ethics problem and mentions that it has been highlighted in the Indian Journal of Ethics. The latter journal is mentioned just once in the article, which has many other sources (from interviews and such). Finally, The Hindu reports on a symposium organized by this journal in a short article that talks about some ethics problems and, again, mentions the journal just once. None of these in-passing mentions constitute anything coming close to in-depth coverage that would meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Neither is there any evidence that this journal meets any of the requirements of WP:NJournals. Hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 18:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. While this journal is indexed on Medline, [Title+Abbreviation] many of the Google search results are rather dubious quack websites such as Mercola.com, as well as Ageofautism.com, and one article in the journal about the polio vaccine seems to be responsible for most of the attention this journal has received. articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/28/polio-eradication-campaign.aspx unreliable fringe source? [1] [2] Jinkinson talk to me 20:58, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Here is a good coverage provided by The Hindu related to a symposium organized by the Indian Journal of Ethics. (
link) This source is entirely dedicated to the symposiam organized by the IJE.
Xyn1 (
talk)
22:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Another very short article mentioning the journal once, but no in-depth coverage of the journal. As for MEDLINE, I actually missed that and am quite surprised by it. However, see the notes in NJournals about MEDLINE/PubMed. Coverage there alone is not enough. -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment So if you couple the coverage provided by the media aforementioned, and that of the indexing by PubMed (with the legit ISSN), shouldn't it be kept? Xyn1 ( talk) 23:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Here is a good coverage provided by The Hindu related to a symposium organized by the Indian Journal of Ethics. (
link) This source is entirely dedicated to the symposiam organized by the IJE.
Xyn1 (
talk)
22:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot speak to anything other than this article not meeting WP:NJournals, but I am sure that it does not meet those criteria. For failing the notability standards of journals this article can be deleted. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep Here are some other media mentions:
- http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040125/ncr3.htm
- http://www.telegraphindia.com/1041227/asp/knowhow/story_4139179.asp
- http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2005-02-09/india/27854215_1_vaccine-trials-volunteers
- http://www.telegraphindia.com/1051126/asp/frontpage/story_5524910.asp
- http://www.hindu.com/2005/12/06/stories/2005120603081000.htm
- http://www.island.lk/2008/05/24/features2.html
- http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/03/stories/2008060358720300.htm
- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JB22Df03.html
- http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/05/stories/2007120552450400.htm NIMHANS is one of the premere research institution of India.
These all are sources across many years. They constantly refer to the Indian Journal of Ethics as the de facto Ethics Journal in India. If you want to see media mentions in google properly, you have to switch to http://news.google.com ; enter the search term and then, under the Any Time drop down menu, select Archives. You will find legitimate media mentions of this journal. Xyn1 ( talk) 22:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment
These are the sources posted on the talk page of the article that I discussed in the nom.See my comment below. -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment No. There are different from the one being mentioned in the talk page. Xyn1 ( talk) 23:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment
- Comment WorldCat also lists this journal under its previous name: Issues in Medical Ethics here. Xyn1 ( talk) 23:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 10:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
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Northamerica1000
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10:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Being listed in WorldCat or having an ISSN really is rather meaningless when assessing notability. WorldCat lists anything that is published and an ISSN can be obtained quite easily just by submitting a request. You're right that the sources you posted here are not the same ones as those posted on the talk page, I have struck my comment above. However, they suffer from the same problem as before: they are not about the journal, which is mentioned just in passing. Most of those references concern occasions where "Dr Nundy, editor of Indian Journal of Medical Ethics" is asked for his opinion on something. These sources may contribute to Nundy's notability, but the journal is, each time, just mentioned in passing. -- Randykitty ( talk) 12:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment And what about the
Wired Magazine article? It does mention IJME in brackets and does not refer to any of its author.
Xyn1 (
talk)
20:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Which one is that? And remember that we need in depth coverage, a mention between brackets doesn't sound like that... -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:34, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete, as explained by Randykitty, and can anyone get this editor to slow down? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. v/r - T P 03:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Indian Journal of Medical Ethics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article dePRODded by creator. PROD reason was "Non-notable journal. No independent sources, not indexed in any selective database. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." DePROD edit summary refers to ISSN and independent sources posted on the talk page. I have examined every one of these sources. The three articles in the Times of India all just refer to a person, adding "(former) editor of the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics", so these are basically only in-passing mentions and may contribute to the possible notability of the persons mentioned, but not this journal. One of the sources is a letter to the editor of the British Journal of Psychiatry and just mentions "The authors are editors of the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics". Again, an in-passing mention only. The article in Bloomberg addresses an ethics problem and mentions that it has been highlighted in the Indian Journal of Ethics. The latter journal is mentioned just once in the article, which has many other sources (from interviews and such). Finally, The Hindu reports on a symposium organized by this journal in a short article that talks about some ethics problems and, again, mentions the journal just once. None of these in-passing mentions constitute anything coming close to in-depth coverage that would meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Neither is there any evidence that this journal meets any of the requirements of WP:NJournals. Hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 18:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. While this journal is indexed on Medline, [Title+Abbreviation] many of the Google search results are rather dubious quack websites such as Mercola.com, as well as Ageofautism.com, and one article in the journal about the polio vaccine seems to be responsible for most of the attention this journal has received. articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/28/polio-eradication-campaign.aspx unreliable fringe source? [1] [2] Jinkinson talk to me 20:58, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Here is a good coverage provided by The Hindu related to a symposium organized by the Indian Journal of Ethics. (
link) This source is entirely dedicated to the symposiam organized by the IJE.
Xyn1 (
talk)
22:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Another very short article mentioning the journal once, but no in-depth coverage of the journal. As for MEDLINE, I actually missed that and am quite surprised by it. However, see the notes in NJournals about MEDLINE/PubMed. Coverage there alone is not enough. -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment So if you couple the coverage provided by the media aforementioned, and that of the indexing by PubMed (with the legit ISSN), shouldn't it be kept? Xyn1 ( talk) 23:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Here is a good coverage provided by The Hindu related to a symposium organized by the Indian Journal of Ethics. (
link) This source is entirely dedicated to the symposiam organized by the IJE.
Xyn1 (
talk)
22:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot speak to anything other than this article not meeting WP:NJournals, but I am sure that it does not meet those criteria. For failing the notability standards of journals this article can be deleted. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep Here are some other media mentions:
- http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040125/ncr3.htm
- http://www.telegraphindia.com/1041227/asp/knowhow/story_4139179.asp
- http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2005-02-09/india/27854215_1_vaccine-trials-volunteers
- http://www.telegraphindia.com/1051126/asp/frontpage/story_5524910.asp
- http://www.hindu.com/2005/12/06/stories/2005120603081000.htm
- http://www.island.lk/2008/05/24/features2.html
- http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/03/stories/2008060358720300.htm
- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JB22Df03.html
- http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/05/stories/2007120552450400.htm NIMHANS is one of the premere research institution of India.
These all are sources across many years. They constantly refer to the Indian Journal of Ethics as the de facto Ethics Journal in India. If you want to see media mentions in google properly, you have to switch to http://news.google.com ; enter the search term and then, under the Any Time drop down menu, select Archives. You will find legitimate media mentions of this journal. Xyn1 ( talk) 22:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment
These are the sources posted on the talk page of the article that I discussed in the nom.See my comment below. -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment No. There are different from the one being mentioned in the talk page. Xyn1 ( talk) 23:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment
- Comment WorldCat also lists this journal under its previous name: Issues in Medical Ethics here. Xyn1 ( talk) 23:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 10:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 10:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the
list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.
Northamerica1000
(talk)
10:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Being listed in WorldCat or having an ISSN really is rather meaningless when assessing notability. WorldCat lists anything that is published and an ISSN can be obtained quite easily just by submitting a request. You're right that the sources you posted here are not the same ones as those posted on the talk page, I have struck my comment above. However, they suffer from the same problem as before: they are not about the journal, which is mentioned just in passing. Most of those references concern occasions where "Dr Nundy, editor of Indian Journal of Medical Ethics" is asked for his opinion on something. These sources may contribute to Nundy's notability, but the journal is, each time, just mentioned in passing. -- Randykitty ( talk) 12:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment And what about the
Wired Magazine article? It does mention IJME in brackets and does not refer to any of its author.
Xyn1 (
talk)
20:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Which one is that? And remember that we need in depth coverage, a mention between brackets doesn't sound like that... -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:34, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete, as explained by Randykitty, and can anyone get this editor to slow down? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.