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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Impala Hotel Group
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Non-notable hotel/property chain. all references provided are promotional, commercial, and/or branded content. No sign of independent sigcov. Jdcooper ( talk) 01:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
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"Top Arusha hotels may go under the hammer over huge bank debts".
The Citizen. 2019-04-04.
ProQuest
2202724275. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-16. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
The article notes: "Dar es Salaam. The curtain could be falling down on the once high-flying Impala Hotel Group of Arusha as two of its hotels are up for sale over huge debts owed to banks. ... Among the properties up for sale is the 300-room luxurious Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge outside Arusha and Impala Hotel, the group’s flagship outfit within the city. Officials of the hotel chain owned by the late Meleo Mrema, who died in August 2017, could not be reached to speak on the matter. The 160-room Impala, which opened its doors in the early 1990s, was once the leading hotel in Arusha, thanks to closure of the ‘old guard’s for major rehabilitation.This was to be followed ten years later (in early 2000) by the five star Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge, some 27 kilometres east of Arusha.The lodge was famous for hosting many high profile international and regional conferences, including at several East African Community (EAC) Heads of Summits."
- Ubwani, Zephania (2021-09-12).
"Impala, Naura Springs hotels assets for sale over Sh1.2 billion debt".
The Citizen.
ProQuest
2571570534. Archived from
the original on 2021-09-22. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
The article notes: "Finally, properties belonging to an Arusha hotel chain will be sold to settle accumulated debts running into billions of shillings. ... The two hotels, once among the leading outfits in the country’s safari capital, belonged to the Impala Hotels Group owned by the now late Meleo Mrema. ... The saga over accumulated debts by Impala Hotel Group such as accumulated salaries has dragged for years, roping in banks owned billions of shillings in unpaid loans. ... Properties belonging to the late Mrema once dominated the hotel industry in Arusha and were opened to cater for the increasing number of tourists and conference delegates years ago."
- Nkwame, Marc (2014-07-21).
"Tanzania: Arusha Is Not Burning, Hunt Down Rumour Monger".
Daily News.
ProQuest
1547175618. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-16. Retrieved 2024-02-16 – via
AllAfrica.
The article notes: "However, everybody in town knows that the legendary Impala Hotel is owned by one Mrema. So popular is the property that it spawned the 'Impala Group of Hotels,' a company which has 'Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge,' and 'Naura Springs Hotel,' under its portfolio. Like their owner, the three properties, despite their fame, have succeeded in staying out of the media limelight, with the exception of the 2008 incident in which Ugandan pop star Jose Chameleon fell from the third floor room at Impala hotel and broke his limbs. Opened in 2003, the Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge, located within the former Ngurdoto Forest Coffee farm in Meru District, is arguably the biggest hotel in Tanzania with over 3,000 rooms, many being detached luxury 'huts' and while the property has been hosting many international symposiums and meetings, it hasn't made any headlines in over a decade of its existence. Then comes the 'Naura Springs Hotel' situated at the Sanawari junction along Moshi-Arusha road, which went into operation in 2007 thus becoming the newest property under Mr Mrema's property listing."
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"Top Arusha hotels may go under the hammer over huge bank debts".
The Citizen. 2019-04-04.
ProQuest
2202724275. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-16. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 05:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per the article above, the hotels have been closed (and are still closed) since 2019. A part has been turned over to student accommodation. An attempt has been made to sell the hotels to settle debts, seemingly unsuccessfully. All of the issues noted above seem WP:ROTM for a privately owned hotel chain. MNewnham ( talk) 03:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:
Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria says, "A
company ... is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." The guideline does not say "
Run-of-the-mill" is a reason for deletion. And it is incorrect to call Impala Hotel Group "run-of-the-mill".
The Impala Hotel Group is based in the East African country of Tanzania. The company received sustained significant coverage over a period of five years (2014, 2019, and 2021). It received significant coverage in 2014 in the Daily News, a national newspaper in Tanzania. It later received significant coverage in 2019 and 2021 in The Citizen, a South African newspaper that is considered the country's newspaper of record. A South African national newspaper covering a Tanzanian company is international coverage of the company. A "run-of-the-mill" company does not get sustained and international coverage. Cunard ( talk) 11:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Notability is not temporary; businesses being closed should have no bearing on their notability. Reading the sources indicates that, far from being routine, independent sources consider these to be particularly important hotels in the country, "Tanzania’s hospitality paradise, the Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge, which used to draw many international visitors to the country’s northern tourist circuit", "The lodge was famous for hosting many high profile international and regional summits". Besides Cunard's sources, [1], [2], [3], and substantial references in travel guides to the country. ~ A412 talk! 20:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above sources. Seems significant enough. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There appears to be sufficient sources that meet GNG/ WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 18:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Impala Hotel Group
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Non-notable hotel/property chain. all references provided are promotional, commercial, and/or branded content. No sign of independent sigcov. Jdcooper ( talk) 01:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tanzania-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Travel and tourism-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
-
"Top Arusha hotels may go under the hammer over huge bank debts".
The Citizen. 2019-04-04.
ProQuest
2202724275. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-16. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
The article notes: "Dar es Salaam. The curtain could be falling down on the once high-flying Impala Hotel Group of Arusha as two of its hotels are up for sale over huge debts owed to banks. ... Among the properties up for sale is the 300-room luxurious Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge outside Arusha and Impala Hotel, the group’s flagship outfit within the city. Officials of the hotel chain owned by the late Meleo Mrema, who died in August 2017, could not be reached to speak on the matter. The 160-room Impala, which opened its doors in the early 1990s, was once the leading hotel in Arusha, thanks to closure of the ‘old guard’s for major rehabilitation.This was to be followed ten years later (in early 2000) by the five star Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge, some 27 kilometres east of Arusha.The lodge was famous for hosting many high profile international and regional conferences, including at several East African Community (EAC) Heads of Summits."
- Ubwani, Zephania (2021-09-12).
"Impala, Naura Springs hotels assets for sale over Sh1.2 billion debt".
The Citizen.
ProQuest
2571570534. Archived from
the original on 2021-09-22. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
The article notes: "Finally, properties belonging to an Arusha hotel chain will be sold to settle accumulated debts running into billions of shillings. ... The two hotels, once among the leading outfits in the country’s safari capital, belonged to the Impala Hotels Group owned by the now late Meleo Mrema. ... The saga over accumulated debts by Impala Hotel Group such as accumulated salaries has dragged for years, roping in banks owned billions of shillings in unpaid loans. ... Properties belonging to the late Mrema once dominated the hotel industry in Arusha and were opened to cater for the increasing number of tourists and conference delegates years ago."
- Nkwame, Marc (2014-07-21).
"Tanzania: Arusha Is Not Burning, Hunt Down Rumour Monger".
Daily News.
ProQuest
1547175618. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-16. Retrieved 2024-02-16 – via
AllAfrica.
The article notes: "However, everybody in town knows that the legendary Impala Hotel is owned by one Mrema. So popular is the property that it spawned the 'Impala Group of Hotels,' a company which has 'Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge,' and 'Naura Springs Hotel,' under its portfolio. Like their owner, the three properties, despite their fame, have succeeded in staying out of the media limelight, with the exception of the 2008 incident in which Ugandan pop star Jose Chameleon fell from the third floor room at Impala hotel and broke his limbs. Opened in 2003, the Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge, located within the former Ngurdoto Forest Coffee farm in Meru District, is arguably the biggest hotel in Tanzania with over 3,000 rooms, many being detached luxury 'huts' and while the property has been hosting many international symposiums and meetings, it hasn't made any headlines in over a decade of its existence. Then comes the 'Naura Springs Hotel' situated at the Sanawari junction along Moshi-Arusha road, which went into operation in 2007 thus becoming the newest property under Mr Mrema's property listing."
-
"Top Arusha hotels may go under the hammer over huge bank debts".
The Citizen. 2019-04-04.
ProQuest
2202724275. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-16. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 05:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per the article above, the hotels have been closed (and are still closed) since 2019. A part has been turned over to student accommodation. An attempt has been made to sell the hotels to settle debts, seemingly unsuccessfully. All of the issues noted above seem WP:ROTM for a privately owned hotel chain. MNewnham ( talk) 03:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:
Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria says, "A
company ... is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." The guideline does not say "
Run-of-the-mill" is a reason for deletion. And it is incorrect to call Impala Hotel Group "run-of-the-mill".
The Impala Hotel Group is based in the East African country of Tanzania. The company received sustained significant coverage over a period of five years (2014, 2019, and 2021). It received significant coverage in 2014 in the Daily News, a national newspaper in Tanzania. It later received significant coverage in 2019 and 2021 in The Citizen, a South African newspaper that is considered the country's newspaper of record. A South African national newspaper covering a Tanzanian company is international coverage of the company. A "run-of-the-mill" company does not get sustained and international coverage. Cunard ( talk) 11:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Notability is not temporary; businesses being closed should have no bearing on their notability. Reading the sources indicates that, far from being routine, independent sources consider these to be particularly important hotels in the country, "Tanzania’s hospitality paradise, the Ngurdoto Mountain Lodge, which used to draw many international visitors to the country’s northern tourist circuit", "The lodge was famous for hosting many high profile international and regional summits". Besides Cunard's sources, [1], [2], [3], and substantial references in travel guides to the country. ~ A412 talk! 20:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above sources. Seems significant enough. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There appears to be sufficient sources that meet GNG/ WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 18:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.