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The result was merge to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement. Clear consensus that the article cannot stay on its own. Seems like there is a consensus as well that some of the material can be kept in the main Olympics article(s) so this is a merge rather than plain deletion, with the exact nature of the content to be kept presumably up for discussion through the usual means. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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This does not meet the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability. The article was created when there was speculation about what impact the pandemic would have on the games, but has blown out of proportion. We now know that the games will not be held on the date originally planned, so the short paragraph on that can be moved to the main page for the 2020 Summer Olympics if it's not already there. The rest of the article is piecemeal coverage about qualifiers in individual countries. jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Another collection of NEWS tidbits that don't add up to an encyclopedic article. Drmies ( talk) 00:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. We have to keep this for now as discussing about the Olympic qualifying matches that will be resumed in June.
ApprenticeFan
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01:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Why? We have an article called 2020 Summer Olympics already. Drmies ( talk) 13:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect: Cancelled qualifiers can be mentioned elsewhere. This article's purpose is now moot. ViperSnake151 Talk 02:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: the info that we have at this moment is just routine news coverage announcing the postponement. If more in-depth stuff pops up in the future, then the article can be re-created. But otherwise, like others have said before, it can just be its own little blurb on the 2020 Summer Olympics page and the Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports page. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. The impact of this pandemic on the Tokyo 2020 is very large, and the notability is high, too.-- Shwangtianyuan Defeat the virus together 06:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. Since the IOC has announced that it is going to reschedule the entire Olympics, we don't need sport-by-sport coverage of the cancelled/postponed qualifying tournaments in this separate article. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete/merge This frenzy to list every item in the news in the encyclopedia does not require this page: "Everything was canceled or postponed" gets you the gist. Details can go in the main Olympics page, the individual event pages, and the Impact on Sports page. Reywas92 Talk 06:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete/merge selectivwly merge the important information into the Olympics page. We don't need a separate page for this. Frankly the number of "Impact of coronavirus on X" pages are getting silly. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment "piecemeal coverage about qualifiers in individual countries" is not true. It's not about individual countries but about the international Olympic qualification tournaments. This information should be kept together. 31.201.130.50 ( talk) 08:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement (or whatever the section is called when this closes) per Metropolitan90. Merge whatever bits are useful per Reywas92. Sdkb ( talk) 09:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement,it is not necessary to write an article. -- Itw ( talk) 11:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- What I think is that, we may consider making a temporary redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement, and when there is enough information, the redirect may be rewritten as an article immediately. The rewrite should be discussed in somewhere suitable if someone wants to do so. Σαν μο σαThe Trve Lawe of free Monarchies 14:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement or merge with Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports — RealFakeKim T 17:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics; there is just about nothing to say except that it was postponed to 2021. It would make much more sense just to discuss the qualifying tournaments in the article in which they would normally be discussed, because all the upcoming ones have been postponed. This is really an indiscriminate list.— Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 21:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect/Keep Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement as the Summer Olympics is the overall theme, or simply keep it as it has received significant coverage around the globe to make it its own notable topic. Factlibrary1 ( talk) 23:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, but merge (or summarize and merge) with Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports for some contents and 2020 Summer Olympics for others (up to other editors for selection of contents to be merged). Agree to RealFakeKim and Joseph2302. JWilz12345 ( Talk| Contrib's.) 10:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, unnecessary fork of 2020 Summer Olympics. Tracking day-by-day developments in a seperate article comes under WP:NOTNEWS. Spinning Spark 10:12, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement - WP:NOTNEWS. Foxnpichu ( talk) 15:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- 'Keep as main page is over 100k in size.
75.111.8.64 (
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00:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- There are more self-contained things that could be broken out to reduce the page size. All the tables of venues is a good candidate—that just breaks up the flow of the article. Spinning Spark 01:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The reality of the situation is that the coronavirus epidemic will have significant and lasting flow-on effects on many aspects of society, both large and small. If there is significant widespread coverage of the smaller things being affected, then there isn't really any reason to exclude it on the basis that it's a smaller matter than much more important issues; Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, and we can afford to go into more minute detail on very specific topics. As an example of a similar "smaller issue" affected by the coronavirus pandemic, see Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the video game industry. -- benlisquare T• C• E 07:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- We have far too many "Impact of the coronavirus on X" pages, and keeping this one is just compounding the problem. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (though I don't believe that one should exist either). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 12:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Posting a link to an essay within WP namespace is not a silver bullet within a discussion, and you have not fully addressed my points yet. I believe I've provided a reasonable use of examples in an attempt to explain my point, and am not merely arguing that "other stuff exists". Consider also
Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry - as I've mentioned before, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia.
WP:WikiProject Military History consists of editors who are skilled on writing articles about military history, and focus on writing articles about military history;
WP:WikiProject Video games consists of editors who are skilled on writing articles about video games, and focus on writing articles about video games;
WP:WikiProject Sports consists of editors who are skilled on writing articles about sports, and focus on writing articles about sports.
There is nothing strange about editors who specialise within niche areas to write about how a major global event has affected their specific niche interest, as long as what they're writing meets WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:NPOV. -- benlisquare T• C• E 17:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes I understand there are specialisms. And I understand sport- I actually have a sport DYK on the front page right now. And I don't believe the article is needed, because the relevant information (the Games postponement, torch relay) can go in the main 2020 Summer Olympics article and the postponement of qualifying can go in all the appropriate qualifying articles. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 18:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Posting a link to an essay within WP namespace is not a silver bullet within a discussion, and you have not fully addressed my points yet. I believe I've provided a reasonable use of examples in an attempt to explain my point, and am not merely arguing that "other stuff exists". Consider also
Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry - as I've mentioned before, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia.
- Delete/merge: While it is clear that the unprecedented postponement of the Summer Olympics is worth noting, I don't see any reason for us to create another page or Wikipedia entry entirely devoted to that matter. A lot of sporting events other than the Olympics have either cancelled or postponed as well, including the qualifying rounds for most of Olympic sports. It's better to briefly include a section in the main Tokyo 2020 page about the postponement, and merge other important details (e.g. qualifying events that got cancelled) into one entry outlining the impact of Coronavirus in sports in general. Jpbpunzalan ( talk) 14:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement: the disjointed directory-like list of cancellations, together with the reactions and financial impact sections, could easily be summarized in the corresponding section of the main article. Unnecessary WP:SPINOFF. — MarkH21 talk 10:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Merge as per MarkH21 above. It Is Me Here ( talk) 14:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTEVERYTHING (esp. WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TOOMUCH) – any relevant main points can be better summarised in Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports#Summer Olympics and/or 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement (the latter is already bloated with excessive micro-details).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement. Clear consensus that the article cannot stay on its own. Seems like there is a consensus as well that some of the material can be kept in the main Olympics article(s) so this is a merge rather than plain deletion, with the exact nature of the content to be kept presumably up for discussion through the usual means. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the 2020 Summer Olympics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This does not meet the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability. The article was created when there was speculation about what impact the pandemic would have on the games, but has blown out of proportion. We now know that the games will not be held on the date originally planned, so the short paragraph on that can be moved to the main page for the 2020 Summer Olympics if it's not already there. The rest of the article is piecemeal coverage about qualifiers in individual countries. jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Another collection of NEWS tidbits that don't add up to an encyclopedic article. Drmies ( talk) 00:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. We have to keep this for now as discussing about the Olympic qualifying matches that will be resumed in June.
ApprenticeFan
work
01:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Why? We have an article called 2020 Summer Olympics already. Drmies ( talk) 13:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect: Cancelled qualifiers can be mentioned elsewhere. This article's purpose is now moot. ViperSnake151 Talk 02:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: the info that we have at this moment is just routine news coverage announcing the postponement. If more in-depth stuff pops up in the future, then the article can be re-created. But otherwise, like others have said before, it can just be its own little blurb on the 2020 Summer Olympics page and the Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports page. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. The impact of this pandemic on the Tokyo 2020 is very large, and the notability is high, too.-- Shwangtianyuan Defeat the virus together 06:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. Since the IOC has announced that it is going to reschedule the entire Olympics, we don't need sport-by-sport coverage of the cancelled/postponed qualifying tournaments in this separate article. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete/merge This frenzy to list every item in the news in the encyclopedia does not require this page: "Everything was canceled or postponed" gets you the gist. Details can go in the main Olympics page, the individual event pages, and the Impact on Sports page. Reywas92 Talk 06:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete/merge selectivwly merge the important information into the Olympics page. We don't need a separate page for this. Frankly the number of "Impact of coronavirus on X" pages are getting silly. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment "piecemeal coverage about qualifiers in individual countries" is not true. It's not about individual countries but about the international Olympic qualification tournaments. This information should be kept together. 31.201.130.50 ( talk) 08:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement (or whatever the section is called when this closes) per Metropolitan90. Merge whatever bits are useful per Reywas92. Sdkb ( talk) 09:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement,it is not necessary to write an article. -- Itw ( talk) 11:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- What I think is that, we may consider making a temporary redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement, and when there is enough information, the redirect may be rewritten as an article immediately. The rewrite should be discussed in somewhere suitable if someone wants to do so. Σαν μο σαThe Trve Lawe of free Monarchies 14:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement or merge with Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports — RealFakeKim T 17:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics; there is just about nothing to say except that it was postponed to 2021. It would make much more sense just to discuss the qualifying tournaments in the article in which they would normally be discussed, because all the upcoming ones have been postponed. This is really an indiscriminate list.— Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 21:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect/Keep Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement as the Summer Olympics is the overall theme, or simply keep it as it has received significant coverage around the globe to make it its own notable topic. Factlibrary1 ( talk) 23:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, but merge (or summarize and merge) with Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports for some contents and 2020 Summer Olympics for others (up to other editors for selection of contents to be merged). Agree to RealFakeKim and Joseph2302. JWilz12345 ( Talk| Contrib's.) 10:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, unnecessary fork of 2020 Summer Olympics. Tracking day-by-day developments in a seperate article comes under WP:NOTNEWS. Spinning Spark 10:12, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement - WP:NOTNEWS. Foxnpichu ( talk) 15:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- 'Keep as main page is over 100k in size.
75.111.8.64 (
talk)
00:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- There are more self-contained things that could be broken out to reduce the page size. All the tables of venues is a good candidate—that just breaks up the flow of the article. Spinning Spark 01:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The reality of the situation is that the coronavirus epidemic will have significant and lasting flow-on effects on many aspects of society, both large and small. If there is significant widespread coverage of the smaller things being affected, then there isn't really any reason to exclude it on the basis that it's a smaller matter than much more important issues; Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, and we can afford to go into more minute detail on very specific topics. As an example of a similar "smaller issue" affected by the coronavirus pandemic, see Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the video game industry. -- benlisquare T• C• E 07:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- We have far too many "Impact of the coronavirus on X" pages, and keeping this one is just compounding the problem. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (though I don't believe that one should exist either). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 12:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
-
Posting a link to an essay within WP namespace is not a silver bullet within a discussion, and you have not fully addressed my points yet. I believe I've provided a reasonable use of examples in an attempt to explain my point, and am not merely arguing that "other stuff exists". Consider also
Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry - as I've mentioned before, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia.
WP:WikiProject Military History consists of editors who are skilled on writing articles about military history, and focus on writing articles about military history;
WP:WikiProject Video games consists of editors who are skilled on writing articles about video games, and focus on writing articles about video games;
WP:WikiProject Sports consists of editors who are skilled on writing articles about sports, and focus on writing articles about sports.
There is nothing strange about editors who specialise within niche areas to write about how a major global event has affected their specific niche interest, as long as what they're writing meets WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:NPOV. -- benlisquare T• C• E 17:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes I understand there are specialisms. And I understand sport- I actually have a sport DYK on the front page right now. And I don't believe the article is needed, because the relevant information (the Games postponement, torch relay) can go in the main 2020 Summer Olympics article and the postponement of qualifying can go in all the appropriate qualifying articles. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 18:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
-
Posting a link to an essay within WP namespace is not a silver bullet within a discussion, and you have not fully addressed my points yet. I believe I've provided a reasonable use of examples in an attempt to explain my point, and am not merely arguing that "other stuff exists". Consider also
Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry - as I've mentioned before, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia.
- Delete/merge: While it is clear that the unprecedented postponement of the Summer Olympics is worth noting, I don't see any reason for us to create another page or Wikipedia entry entirely devoted to that matter. A lot of sporting events other than the Olympics have either cancelled or postponed as well, including the qualifying rounds for most of Olympic sports. It's better to briefly include a section in the main Tokyo 2020 page about the postponement, and merge other important details (e.g. qualifying events that got cancelled) into one entry outlining the impact of Coronavirus in sports in general. Jpbpunzalan ( talk) 14:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement: the disjointed directory-like list of cancellations, together with the reactions and financial impact sections, could easily be summarized in the corresponding section of the main article. Unnecessary WP:SPINOFF. — MarkH21 talk 10:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Merge as per MarkH21 above. It Is Me Here ( talk) 14:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTEVERYTHING (esp. WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TOOMUCH) – any relevant main points can be better summarised in Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on sports#Summer Olympics and/or 2020 Summer Olympics#Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and postponement (the latter is already bloated with excessive micro-details).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.