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The result was redirect to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State. The !votes were three saying keep, three saying redirect, and one that seems to prefer keep but accepts a redirect. However, nobody arguing in favor of keep presented a rebuttal to the fact that notability in GEOLAND is only presumed and not inherited for simply any populated/official locality. Editors arguing in favor of delete provided clear evidence that the topic is not notable enough for a standalone article, primarily because of its sourcing, and the discussion resulted in a consensus to redirect. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude talk 03:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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De-prodded by Clarityfiend with the reasoning "more than enough official government sources for WP:GEOLAND". However, all the sources are simply database entries that do not even list the place's population. While there is a general presumption of notability in GEOLAND - that presumption can be rebutted. This village and others like it is not notable - we don't have population statistics or any information about the village other than the local government area it is located in (also, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Itak Ekim, a previous AfD I filed for a similar village, leading to its deletion, as these are not notable places). Elli ( talk | contribs) 23:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Elli ( talk | contribs) 23:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It is officially recognized, so
WP:GEOLAND is satisfied. From the comments for the Afd for Itak Ekim, I suspect the sources there were of the same quality as what I originally found in Ikot Okokon's article. I replaced two out of those three with much more reliable ones.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
02:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't agree that GEOLAND is satisfied. Per
Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features):
This guideline specifically excludes maps and tables from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject.
Elli ( talk | contribs) 21:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't agree that GEOLAND is satisfied. Per
Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features):
- Or redirect to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State. Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:52, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: How many of the others from this batch of PRODs were contested?
Curbon7 (
talk)
03:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Curbon7: last I checked, none. Elli ( talk | contribs) 21:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Clarityfiend. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting to discuss if there are sources besides maps and tables to meet WP:GEOLAND or to establish consensus for an appropriate redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 12:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GEOLAND as a legally recognized place. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 00:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect (to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State), as while the standard for meeting GEOLAND is rightly very low, the data here is just tables/maps, proving no more than existence. Nosebagbear ( talk) 12:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as it is a populated place Jackattack1597 ( talk) 21:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Jackattack1597 and Editorofthewiki: - could you guys clarify how you think the "discount maps/tables" aspect is met? Nosebagbear ( talk) 22:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect per Nosebagbear (to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State), unless we can discover anyone who actually lives there. Nwhyte ( talk) 20:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State. GEOLAND is just a presumption of notability. For a page like this that meets the bare minimum, the best option, IMO, is to redirect until and unless more content can be developed.-- Mojo Hand ( talk) 15:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note to closer: do not relist - just an FYI to any closer that we will hopefully get that this AfD should not be relisted, as we are now entering our fifth week Nosebagbear ( talk) 18:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State. The !votes were three saying keep, three saying redirect, and one that seems to prefer keep but accepts a redirect. However, nobody arguing in favor of keep presented a rebuttal to the fact that notability in GEOLAND is only presumed and not inherited for simply any populated/official locality. Editors arguing in favor of delete provided clear evidence that the topic is not notable enough for a standalone article, primarily because of its sourcing, and the discussion resulted in a consensus to redirect. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude talk 03:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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- Ikot Okokon ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
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De-prodded by Clarityfiend with the reasoning "more than enough official government sources for WP:GEOLAND". However, all the sources are simply database entries that do not even list the place's population. While there is a general presumption of notability in GEOLAND - that presumption can be rebutted. This village and others like it is not notable - we don't have population statistics or any information about the village other than the local government area it is located in (also, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Itak Ekim, a previous AfD I filed for a similar village, leading to its deletion, as these are not notable places). Elli ( talk | contribs) 23:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Elli ( talk | contribs) 23:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It is officially recognized, so
WP:GEOLAND is satisfied. From the comments for the Afd for Itak Ekim, I suspect the sources there were of the same quality as what I originally found in Ikot Okokon's article. I replaced two out of those three with much more reliable ones.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
02:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't agree that GEOLAND is satisfied. Per
Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features):
This guideline specifically excludes maps and tables from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject.
Elli ( talk | contribs) 21:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't agree that GEOLAND is satisfied. Per
Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features):
- Or redirect to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State. Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:52, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: How many of the others from this batch of PRODs were contested?
Curbon7 (
talk)
03:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Curbon7: last I checked, none. Elli ( talk | contribs) 21:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Clarityfiend. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting to discuss if there are sources besides maps and tables to meet WP:GEOLAND or to establish consensus for an appropriate redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 12:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GEOLAND as a legally recognized place. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 00:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect (to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State), as while the standard for meeting GEOLAND is rightly very low, the data here is just tables/maps, proving no more than existence. Nosebagbear ( talk) 12:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as it is a populated place Jackattack1597 ( talk) 21:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Jackattack1597 and Editorofthewiki: - could you guys clarify how you think the "discount maps/tables" aspect is met? Nosebagbear ( talk) 22:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect per Nosebagbear (to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State), unless we can discover anyone who actually lives there. Nwhyte ( talk) 20:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of villages in Akwa Ibom State. GEOLAND is just a presumption of notability. For a page like this that meets the bare minimum, the best option, IMO, is to redirect until and unless more content can be developed.-- Mojo Hand ( talk) 15:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note to closer: do not relist - just an FYI to any closer that we will hopefully get that this AfD should not be relisted, as we are now entering our fifth week Nosebagbear ( talk) 18:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.