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The result was redirect to Hypixel. Redirecting for the time being, citing TOOSOON. A redirect allows for quick restoration of the content when GNG is met. Tone 11:25, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Hytale
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An example of WP:TOOSOON, and the subject fails WP:GNG. Next to no (and by that I mean none) third party coverage exists outside of YouTube and Reddit. SamHolt6 ( talk) 15:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- May have been too soon at the time but media has picked up on it. [1] [2] I will clean it up once more information is announced. Nixinova T C 00:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge per nom. Big part of page is unsourced, and only uses unreliable sources. As Nixinova said, it has sources, so it could possibly be merged into the
Hypixel article, instead of having its own article, since it doesn’t have many things to be able to be talked about.
Oshawott 12 ==()==
Talk to me!
08:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- There are quite a few articles on the announcement, but an announcement is not sufficient to show notability. -- Izno ( talk) 19:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA( talk) 08:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep A simple Google search shows that reliable, independent sources exist; they are simply not included in the article. The subject does meet
WP:GNG, it just needs improvement to clearly demonstrate it.
Jmertel23 (
talk)
15:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, @ Jmertel23:, it's routine news, no actual additional in-depth coverage. But if you can find them, please provide them. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- This is WP:TOOSOON/ WP:SUSTAINED. The subject has been announced but has not shown that it has notability as it has not been covered in the depth expected for notable topic. I'm sympathetic to a redirect to hypixel if nowhere else. Merge. -- Izno ( talk) 19:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep it has a sufficient amount of information and enough media coverage to meet notability guidelines. Nixinova T C 21:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Although the article might not be significant as of today, it might gain sigificants in the near future.
Jsraynault (
talk)
23:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- @ Jsraynault:, that's WP:ATA#CRYSTAL. Not an argument. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, definitely WP:TOOSOON. The results from VG/RS is pretty much the same news coverage from a couple of days ago. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, the refs are a full page in pcgamer and also variety, they are unarguable, toosoon doesn't apply with refs this good, the game could be canned and it would still be suitable for inclusion. Szzuk ( talk) 19:19, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Merge, this counts as WP:TOO SOON. There's a bunch of great sources on this, including USGamer, but we're not the news see WP:NEWS. Right now this is news, and who knows if this game will ever get released? Right now, merge to Hypixel. Keep expanding from there. Then if it gets too big maybe think of making a new article. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 06:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete (redirect to Hypixel). Still WP:TOOSOON, only sources are WP:NOTNEWS. There is no information beyond sources just saying the same thing from the few bits the developer has said. Hypixel already covers the couple sentences one could squeeze from the current sources. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 13:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. I added 2 more full page reviews to the article
[3]
[4]. These websites are very reputable.
Szzuk (
talk)
19:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- @
Szzuk:, even if they're RS'es, that's just the same announcement again, hence
WP:TOOSOON.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree. It has the significant coverage to pass GNG - even if the game is never released. It obviously will be released and it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought. Unless Toosoon has changed it doesn't specifically cover computer games and we rely on WP:V and GNG.
Szzuk (
talk)
13:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Not that cancelled games can't have articles, but "
it obviously will be released
" is WP:CRYSTAL. It's announced at this point, plenty of announced games get cancelled before release. "it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought
", where did you get that idea? Who are the many who thought that? It was formally announced a week ago and none of the references used say anything about a release date. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:27, 20 December 2018 (UTC)- a) You admit cancelled games can have articles and b) I doubt you want to argue that these aren't Reliable Secondary references. So the base position here is keep; if it is released the article is keep, if it is cancelled the article is keep. Szzuk ( talk) 14:58, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Not that cancelled games can't have articles, but "
- I disagree. It has the significant coverage to pass GNG - even if the game is never released. It obviously will be released and it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought. Unless Toosoon has changed it doesn't specifically cover computer games and we rely on WP:V and GNG.
Szzuk (
talk)
13:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Plenty of cancelled games have articles.
Silent Hills,
Insane (cancelled video game),
Command & Conquer (cancelled video game), etc. But these were in development for a long time and were cancelled at some point. Hytale was announced a week ago. Not that this matters, I do think it is in development, but you are however
WP:CRYSTALBALLing with "
it obviously will be released
" and "it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought
" is WP:OR. Please provide sources to back up your claims. So I'm still saying WP:TOOSOON, because at this point the reliable sources referenced have too little to go on. Wikipedia is not an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of information and WP:NOTNEWS. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)- Per
WP:ATD all we're really discussing is a keep or a merge to
Hypixel. When the article was nominated for deletion there were just 2 primary refs, now it has 5 RS refs and deletion of this content isn't reasonable.
Szzuk (
talk)
15:56, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- All the references are discussing the same trailer and have no in-depth information beyond what the trailer shows. They all came out at the same time in response to the same announcement -- a classic case of
WP:NOTNEWS.
WP:GNG requires in-depth and lasting coverage. Trailer (or any announcement, press release or such) is neither. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK
16:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you'd object to a one sentence merge saying that "Hytale has been announced", on the developers page, using 5 RS refs?
Szzuk (
talk)
19:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- As I said above, " Hypixel already covers the couple sentences one could squeeze from the current sources." Attaching more references is just WP:REFBOMBing since they all say the same thing. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 19:33, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you'd object to a one sentence merge saying that "Hytale has been announced", on the developers page, using 5 RS refs?
Szzuk (
talk)
19:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- All the references are discussing the same trailer and have no in-depth information beyond what the trailer shows. They all came out at the same time in response to the same announcement -- a classic case of
WP:NOTNEWS.
WP:GNG requires in-depth and lasting coverage. Trailer (or any announcement, press release or such) is neither. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK
16:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Per
WP:ATD all we're really discussing is a keep or a merge to
Hypixel. When the article was nominated for deletion there were just 2 primary refs, now it has 5 RS refs and deletion of this content isn't reasonable.
Szzuk (
talk)
15:56, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- @
Szzuk:, even if they're RS'es, that's just the same announcement again, hence
WP:TOOSOON.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Merge/Move Uh, yes, hello, I'm new to Wikipedia and this whole editing thing, and I'm not entirely sure how to properly comment on the subject matter, how to follow the format, etc., but I am an adamant fan of Minecraft, Hypixel, and Hytale, and I will leave my thoughts here. I've been following the story of Hytale since Dec. 9th, the day the website was released, the game announced publicly and properly, and all of the other fun bits. My recommendation is that Hypixel Studios be given it's own page, and that Hytale be moved (for now) to that page. There is no real information outside of the trailer, some blog posts on the website, and scant rumors here and there that really amount to nothing more that rumination and speculation. As stated above by others, all online articles about the game are incredibly similar, a trait which is obvious to any reader. This would fall under WP:NOTNEWS (I have no idea how to make them hyperlinks, go me!). In addition, there is no lasting coverage of the game thus far. All online articles were published within a few days of each other, and nothing has been published since, aside from an article in a French newspaper. However, it is also evident Collins-Laflamme and Touchette have plans for the future (who can you think of that announced a game-production studio with the intention of making one game?). I think this justifies the creation of a Hypixel Studios page, which would mean that it would have to be moved off of the Hypixel (Minecraft Server) page. CharlesJend ( talk) 03:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Hypixel. Redirecting for the time being, citing TOOSOON. A redirect allows for quick restoration of the content when GNG is met. Tone 11:25, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Hytale
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An example of WP:TOOSOON, and the subject fails WP:GNG. Next to no (and by that I mean none) third party coverage exists outside of YouTube and Reddit. SamHolt6 ( talk) 15:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- May have been too soon at the time but media has picked up on it. [1] [2] I will clean it up once more information is announced. Nixinova T C 00:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge per nom. Big part of page is unsourced, and only uses unreliable sources. As Nixinova said, it has sources, so it could possibly be merged into the
Hypixel article, instead of having its own article, since it doesn’t have many things to be able to be talked about.
Oshawott 12 ==()==
Talk to me!
08:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- There are quite a few articles on the announcement, but an announcement is not sufficient to show notability. -- Izno ( talk) 19:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA( talk) 08:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep A simple Google search shows that reliable, independent sources exist; they are simply not included in the article. The subject does meet
WP:GNG, it just needs improvement to clearly demonstrate it.
Jmertel23 (
talk)
15:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, @ Jmertel23:, it's routine news, no actual additional in-depth coverage. But if you can find them, please provide them. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- This is WP:TOOSOON/ WP:SUSTAINED. The subject has been announced but has not shown that it has notability as it has not been covered in the depth expected for notable topic. I'm sympathetic to a redirect to hypixel if nowhere else. Merge. -- Izno ( talk) 19:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep it has a sufficient amount of information and enough media coverage to meet notability guidelines. Nixinova T C 21:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Although the article might not be significant as of today, it might gain sigificants in the near future.
Jsraynault (
talk)
23:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- @ Jsraynault:, that's WP:ATA#CRYSTAL. Not an argument. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, definitely WP:TOOSOON. The results from VG/RS is pretty much the same news coverage from a couple of days ago. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, the refs are a full page in pcgamer and also variety, they are unarguable, toosoon doesn't apply with refs this good, the game could be canned and it would still be suitable for inclusion. Szzuk ( talk) 19:19, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Merge, this counts as WP:TOO SOON. There's a bunch of great sources on this, including USGamer, but we're not the news see WP:NEWS. Right now this is news, and who knows if this game will ever get released? Right now, merge to Hypixel. Keep expanding from there. Then if it gets too big maybe think of making a new article. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 06:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete (redirect to Hypixel). Still WP:TOOSOON, only sources are WP:NOTNEWS. There is no information beyond sources just saying the same thing from the few bits the developer has said. Hypixel already covers the couple sentences one could squeeze from the current sources. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 13:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. I added 2 more full page reviews to the article
[3]
[4]. These websites are very reputable.
Szzuk (
talk)
19:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- @
Szzuk:, even if they're RS'es, that's just the same announcement again, hence
WP:TOOSOON.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree. It has the significant coverage to pass GNG - even if the game is never released. It obviously will be released and it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought. Unless Toosoon has changed it doesn't specifically cover computer games and we rely on WP:V and GNG.
Szzuk (
talk)
13:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Not that cancelled games can't have articles, but "
it obviously will be released
" is WP:CRYSTAL. It's announced at this point, plenty of announced games get cancelled before release. "it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought
", where did you get that idea? Who are the many who thought that? It was formally announced a week ago and none of the references used say anything about a release date. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:27, 20 December 2018 (UTC)- a) You admit cancelled games can have articles and b) I doubt you want to argue that these aren't Reliable Secondary references. So the base position here is keep; if it is released the article is keep, if it is cancelled the article is keep. Szzuk ( talk) 14:58, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Not that cancelled games can't have articles, but "
- I disagree. It has the significant coverage to pass GNG - even if the game is never released. It obviously will be released and it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought. Unless Toosoon has changed it doesn't specifically cover computer games and we rely on WP:V and GNG.
Szzuk (
talk)
13:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Plenty of cancelled games have articles.
Silent Hills,
Insane (cancelled video game),
Command & Conquer (cancelled video game), etc. But these were in development for a long time and were cancelled at some point. Hytale was announced a week ago. Not that this matters, I do think it is in development, but you are however
WP:CRYSTALBALLing with "
it obviously will be released
" and "it appears the game is a lot nearer to completion than many had thought
" is WP:OR. Please provide sources to back up your claims. So I'm still saying WP:TOOSOON, because at this point the reliable sources referenced have too little to go on. Wikipedia is not an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of information and WP:NOTNEWS. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)- Per
WP:ATD all we're really discussing is a keep or a merge to
Hypixel. When the article was nominated for deletion there were just 2 primary refs, now it has 5 RS refs and deletion of this content isn't reasonable.
Szzuk (
talk)
15:56, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- All the references are discussing the same trailer and have no in-depth information beyond what the trailer shows. They all came out at the same time in response to the same announcement -- a classic case of
WP:NOTNEWS.
WP:GNG requires in-depth and lasting coverage. Trailer (or any announcement, press release or such) is neither. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK
16:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you'd object to a one sentence merge saying that "Hytale has been announced", on the developers page, using 5 RS refs?
Szzuk (
talk)
19:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- As I said above, " Hypixel already covers the couple sentences one could squeeze from the current sources." Attaching more references is just WP:REFBOMBing since they all say the same thing. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 19:33, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- So you'd object to a one sentence merge saying that "Hytale has been announced", on the developers page, using 5 RS refs?
Szzuk (
talk)
19:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- All the references are discussing the same trailer and have no in-depth information beyond what the trailer shows. They all came out at the same time in response to the same announcement -- a classic case of
WP:NOTNEWS.
WP:GNG requires in-depth and lasting coverage. Trailer (or any announcement, press release or such) is neither. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK
16:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Per
WP:ATD all we're really discussing is a keep or a merge to
Hypixel. When the article was nominated for deletion there were just 2 primary refs, now it has 5 RS refs and deletion of this content isn't reasonable.
Szzuk (
talk)
15:56, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- @
Szzuk:, even if they're RS'es, that's just the same announcement again, hence
WP:TOOSOON.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Merge/Move Uh, yes, hello, I'm new to Wikipedia and this whole editing thing, and I'm not entirely sure how to properly comment on the subject matter, how to follow the format, etc., but I am an adamant fan of Minecraft, Hypixel, and Hytale, and I will leave my thoughts here. I've been following the story of Hytale since Dec. 9th, the day the website was released, the game announced publicly and properly, and all of the other fun bits. My recommendation is that Hypixel Studios be given it's own page, and that Hytale be moved (for now) to that page. There is no real information outside of the trailer, some blog posts on the website, and scant rumors here and there that really amount to nothing more that rumination and speculation. As stated above by others, all online articles about the game are incredibly similar, a trait which is obvious to any reader. This would fall under WP:NOTNEWS (I have no idea how to make them hyperlinks, go me!). In addition, there is no lasting coverage of the game thus far. All online articles were published within a few days of each other, and nothing has been published since, aside from an article in a French newspaper. However, it is also evident Collins-Laflamme and Touchette have plans for the future (who can you think of that announced a game-production studio with the intention of making one game?). I think this justifies the creation of a Hypixel Studios page, which would mean that it would have to be moved off of the Hypixel (Minecraft Server) page. CharlesJend ( talk) 03:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.