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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:05, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Hybrid electric vehicles in the United States
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WP:NOTDATABASE. Almost all of the article is indiscriminate statistics about hybrid electric vehicle sales. Hybrid electric vehicles have no political, economic, or cultural significance (or if they do, then you can't tell from the article), and there are no articles for countries other than the US. Plug-in electric vehicles, on the other hand, have a lot more significance, and there are articles for 18 countries, 38 U.S. states + DC, and 4 Canadian provinces. Numberguy6 ( talk) 19:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and United States of America. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:05, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Seems well-sourced. Odd topic to be honest, I'd maybe trim down some of the charts, seems maybe too long. Looks like GNG. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This article has existed since 2010 as a split from hybrid electric vehicle from the section American market because it was getting too long. Other sections exist in the mother article about the Japanese and European markets, but not enough to either make it as a stand alone article. Even though the US is the world's second HEV market after Japan, there is no Japanese HEV article because there is not enough material in the English language. About the content, this article is similar to the Plug-in electric vehicle in country X because the focus is on the market, the rates of adoption, not the technology that is common to almost all markets. Discussing the evolution of a market IS NOT a collection of statistics. Additionally, this article is relevant because it presents the history and evolution of the hybrid market in the U.S., not as important now for environmentalist, but this market precedes the mass market of plug-in electric vehicles, and even just for historical reasons it has merit to be preserve (we should not delete articles just because the subject is or seems out of fashion). In fact, together with plug-in electric cars, sales of conventional hybrids have took off in the past two years, and the info is just dated, but not irrelevant. As proof of the relevance of this article, since July 15 2015, the page has had over 155.000 views. In addition, the content shows lessons for developing countries that are just beginning do adopt HEVs, BEVs and PHEVs. Therefore, the article could be improved, updated but there is no proper justification for deletion, the subject continues to fulfill the criteria for Wikipedia:Notability.-- Mariordo ( talk) 04:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, but delete the tablecruft. I think there's a clear case of notability for the subject, but the existing article needs serious cleanup. The giant-ass tables of statistics need to go. To give one obvious example, the article should discuss California's laws which will eventually require all cars sold in the state to be EVs or plug-in hybrids
[1]. Other sources discussing hybrids in the U.S. in some amount of detail include
[2]
[3].
Trainsandotherthings (
talk)
23:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- California's law covers fully electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles, which are covered under Plug-in electric vehicles in California. This article covers conventional battery hybrid vehicles (e.g. the Toyota Prius.) Numberguy6 ( talk) 23:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Mariordo. The article definitely needs a restructure, though. XtraJovial ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Appears to meet GNG to me but I too believe this needs to be restructured into a more encyclopedic article regarding the history of HEVs in the US and major events within rather than a bunch of numbers. Waddles 🗩 🖉 15:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:05, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Hybrid electric vehicles in the United States
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- Hybrid electric vehicles in the United States ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTDATABASE. Almost all of the article is indiscriminate statistics about hybrid electric vehicle sales. Hybrid electric vehicles have no political, economic, or cultural significance (or if they do, then you can't tell from the article), and there are no articles for countries other than the US. Plug-in electric vehicles, on the other hand, have a lot more significance, and there are articles for 18 countries, 38 U.S. states + DC, and 4 Canadian provinces. Numberguy6 ( talk) 19:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and United States of America. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:05, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Seems well-sourced. Odd topic to be honest, I'd maybe trim down some of the charts, seems maybe too long. Looks like GNG. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This article has existed since 2010 as a split from hybrid electric vehicle from the section American market because it was getting too long. Other sections exist in the mother article about the Japanese and European markets, but not enough to either make it as a stand alone article. Even though the US is the world's second HEV market after Japan, there is no Japanese HEV article because there is not enough material in the English language. About the content, this article is similar to the Plug-in electric vehicle in country X because the focus is on the market, the rates of adoption, not the technology that is common to almost all markets. Discussing the evolution of a market IS NOT a collection of statistics. Additionally, this article is relevant because it presents the history and evolution of the hybrid market in the U.S., not as important now for environmentalist, but this market precedes the mass market of plug-in electric vehicles, and even just for historical reasons it has merit to be preserve (we should not delete articles just because the subject is or seems out of fashion). In fact, together with plug-in electric cars, sales of conventional hybrids have took off in the past two years, and the info is just dated, but not irrelevant. As proof of the relevance of this article, since July 15 2015, the page has had over 155.000 views. In addition, the content shows lessons for developing countries that are just beginning do adopt HEVs, BEVs and PHEVs. Therefore, the article could be improved, updated but there is no proper justification for deletion, the subject continues to fulfill the criteria for Wikipedia:Notability.-- Mariordo ( talk) 04:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, but delete the tablecruft. I think there's a clear case of notability for the subject, but the existing article needs serious cleanup. The giant-ass tables of statistics need to go. To give one obvious example, the article should discuss California's laws which will eventually require all cars sold in the state to be EVs or plug-in hybrids
[1]. Other sources discussing hybrids in the U.S. in some amount of detail include
[2]
[3].
Trainsandotherthings (
talk)
23:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- California's law covers fully electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles, which are covered under Plug-in electric vehicles in California. This article covers conventional battery hybrid vehicles (e.g. the Toyota Prius.) Numberguy6 ( talk) 23:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Mariordo. The article definitely needs a restructure, though. XtraJovial ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Appears to meet GNG to me but I too believe this needs to be restructured into a more encyclopedic article regarding the history of HEVs in the US and major events within rather than a bunch of numbers. Waddles 🗩 🖉 15:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.