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The result was keep. Any renaming can be discussed on the talk page (non-admin closure) Rollidan ( talk) 04:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Hurricanes and the Making of Caribbean History
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Needs a fundamental rewrite to be encyclopedic. No evidence that this needs a separate article from Atlantic hurricane and many of the statements are just wrong. Jasper Deng (talk) 00:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 01:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Normally I find myself arguing that a rewrite would do an article good no matter what, but in this case I don't think anything can improve this article past the criteria for deletion because even the title is non-encylopedic, and any variation of the title will remain that way. Doesn't even deserve a redirect to Atlantic Hurricane Season because of the non-encyclopedic nature of the title. Sam-2727 ( talk) 03:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Is this whole article WP:COPYVIO from the couple of books used in the references? Govvy ( talk) 09:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I would note that the topic of this article is focused on one area only of the areas affected by Atlantic hurricanes. Having looked at the Atlantic hurricane article, I also note that it is either misnamed, or biased towards the north-west Atlantic coast, as there is no mention of hurricanes affecting European countries (eg the Great Storm of 1987 or Hurricane Ophelia (2017)). I have consolidated the references in this article, so it's easier to see how many distinct sources there are. I would have thought that, with two book-length sources and other articles specifically on hurricanes in the Caribbean, this topic would meet the WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 11:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep A notable topic. We don't seem to have any articles detailing the social, economic and environmental impact of tropical cyclones, and this impact is likely to vary considerably from one region to another, justifying region-based articles on the topic. Needs renaming, if anyone has a better idea than The social, economic and environmental impact of hurricanes in the Caribbean. ---- Pontificalibus 12:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Agree notable topic I'll work on this and I agree with a rename -- [E.3] [chat2] [me] 15:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This definitely seems to be a notable article. Title suggestion Impact of hurricanes on Caribbean life. Mcavoybickford ( talk) 22:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Propose the simple name Impact of hurricanes in the Caribbean, which seems to be a notable scope, in line with the general thrust of provided sources. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 22:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with Mcavoybickford's renaming. As an alt, how about Impact of hurricanes on Caribbean history. AmericanAir88( talk) 19:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Any renaming can be discussed on the talk page (non-admin closure) Rollidan ( talk) 04:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Hurricanes and the Making of Caribbean History
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Needs a fundamental rewrite to be encyclopedic. No evidence that this needs a separate article from Atlantic hurricane and many of the statements are just wrong. Jasper Deng (talk) 00:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 01:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Normally I find myself arguing that a rewrite would do an article good no matter what, but in this case I don't think anything can improve this article past the criteria for deletion because even the title is non-encylopedic, and any variation of the title will remain that way. Doesn't even deserve a redirect to Atlantic Hurricane Season because of the non-encyclopedic nature of the title. Sam-2727 ( talk) 03:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Is this whole article WP:COPYVIO from the couple of books used in the references? Govvy ( talk) 09:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I would note that the topic of this article is focused on one area only of the areas affected by Atlantic hurricanes. Having looked at the Atlantic hurricane article, I also note that it is either misnamed, or biased towards the north-west Atlantic coast, as there is no mention of hurricanes affecting European countries (eg the Great Storm of 1987 or Hurricane Ophelia (2017)). I have consolidated the references in this article, so it's easier to see how many distinct sources there are. I would have thought that, with two book-length sources and other articles specifically on hurricanes in the Caribbean, this topic would meet the WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 11:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep A notable topic. We don't seem to have any articles detailing the social, economic and environmental impact of tropical cyclones, and this impact is likely to vary considerably from one region to another, justifying region-based articles on the topic. Needs renaming, if anyone has a better idea than The social, economic and environmental impact of hurricanes in the Caribbean. ---- Pontificalibus 12:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Agree notable topic I'll work on this and I agree with a rename -- [E.3] [chat2] [me] 15:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This definitely seems to be a notable article. Title suggestion Impact of hurricanes on Caribbean life. Mcavoybickford ( talk) 22:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Propose the simple name Impact of hurricanes in the Caribbean, which seems to be a notable scope, in line with the general thrust of provided sources. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 22:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with Mcavoybickford's renaming. As an alt, how about Impact of hurricanes on Caribbean history. AmericanAir88( talk) 19:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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