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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Hugh Bulkeley
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Despite the "entry" in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography, I cannot find any significant coverage of this authorthat would establish GNG. Even the DWB provides minimal information, suggesting all we know is "Two poems bearing his name will be found in NLW MS 832E and one in Sotheby MS B2 ." We can't build an encyclopedic article based upon that. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete for lack of sourcing. Only hits I get are for the US Navy. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. It doesn't bode well when the only sourced sentence is contradicted by the only source. In any event, I can't find any sources at all besides the DWB entry, either for Hugh Bulkeley or for the Welsh Huw Bwlclai. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 15:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep: Passes third criteria of
WP:ANYBIO as his name is in
Dictionary of Welsh Biography.
𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️
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12:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ LordVoldemort728, while I would generally agree, I think this is one of the few instances where such an entry does not directly equate notability. Here, all the DWB tells us is that a male poet wrote two poems in the 17th century. We fundamentally can't write a substantive encyclopedic entry on that, and nobody yet has been able to find further coverage. Note the disclaimer above ANYBIO ("meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.") Eddie891 Talk Work 13:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Due to a lack of sources. Happy to reconsider if more are found. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I have completed a fairly exhaustive search and cannot find that the person is notable. The entry in the dictionary refers to the person but links to two pieces which were not even authored by the person. Lightburst ( talk) 20:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Some sources have been added to the article, but at least two of these, and probably the third as well, are talking about a different person of the same name. The Loomis source says that Hugh Bulkeley's father was constable of Beaumaris castle in 1440, so this Hugh can't be from the 17th century. Williams & Kenyon mention two poems, not by Hugh Bulkeley, but addressed to him; these are the same poems mentioned
here, from which it can be seen that this is again the 15th-century Hugh. As for the Advertiser source, it doesn't give enough context for a firm identification, but it's talking about the Bulkeley family of Macclesfield, who have not been in Wales since the reign of King John, so it seems unlikely that a 17th-century member of the family would be included in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography.
Sojourner in the earth (
talk)
05:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Not to mention that Loomis is self published, and entirely unreliable as a result. Eddie891 Talk Work 10:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ 7&6=thirteen: Please read the sources you're adding. Carr 2017 says that a 15th-century poet, Lewys Môn, "praised the military virtues of Hugh Bulkeley, deputy constable of Conway". You've used this to source the claim that the poems of 17th-century bard Hugh Bulkeley are "noted for their martial themes". There is more than one person in history called Hugh Bulkeley. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 16:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete on account of lack of sources supporting notability. I do not mind that the text was uploaded by a terminally blocked contributor. But the cavalier attitude towards guidelines and policies does grate. - The Gnome ( talk) 18:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Hugh Bulkeley
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Despite the "entry" in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography, I cannot find any significant coverage of this authorthat would establish GNG. Even the DWB provides minimal information, suggesting all we know is "Two poems bearing his name will be found in NLW MS 832E and one in Sotheby MS B2 ." We can't build an encyclopedic article based upon that. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Poetry and Wales. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex ( talk) 15:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of sourcing. Only hits I get are for the US Navy. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. It doesn't bode well when the only sourced sentence is contradicted by the only source. In any event, I can't find any sources at all besides the DWB entry, either for Hugh Bulkeley or for the Welsh Huw Bwlclai. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 15:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst ( talk) 22:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Passes third criteria of
WP:ANYBIO as his name is in
Dictionary of Welsh Biography.
𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️
Let's Talk !
12:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ LordVoldemort728, while I would generally agree, I think this is one of the few instances where such an entry does not directly equate notability. Here, all the DWB tells us is that a male poet wrote two poems in the 17th century. We fundamentally can't write a substantive encyclopedic entry on that, and nobody yet has been able to find further coverage. Note the disclaimer above ANYBIO ("meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.") Eddie891 Talk Work 13:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Due to a lack of sources. Happy to reconsider if more are found. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I have completed a fairly exhaustive search and cannot find that the person is notable. The entry in the dictionary refers to the person but links to two pieces which were not even authored by the person. Lightburst ( talk) 20:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Some sources have been added to the article, but at least two of these, and probably the third as well, are talking about a different person of the same name. The Loomis source says that Hugh Bulkeley's father was constable of Beaumaris castle in 1440, so this Hugh can't be from the 17th century. Williams & Kenyon mention two poems, not by Hugh Bulkeley, but addressed to him; these are the same poems mentioned
here, from which it can be seen that this is again the 15th-century Hugh. As for the Advertiser source, it doesn't give enough context for a firm identification, but it's talking about the Bulkeley family of Macclesfield, who have not been in Wales since the reign of King John, so it seems unlikely that a 17th-century member of the family would be included in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography.
Sojourner in the earth (
talk)
05:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Not to mention that Loomis is self published, and entirely unreliable as a result. Eddie891 Talk Work 10:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ 7&6=thirteen: Please read the sources you're adding. Carr 2017 says that a 15th-century poet, Lewys Môn, "praised the military virtues of Hugh Bulkeley, deputy constable of Conway". You've used this to source the claim that the poems of 17th-century bard Hugh Bulkeley are "noted for their martial themes". There is more than one person in history called Hugh Bulkeley. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 16:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete on account of lack of sources supporting notability. I do not mind that the text was uploaded by a terminally blocked contributor. But the cavalier attitude towards guidelines and policies does grate. - The Gnome ( talk) 18:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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