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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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He exists, and has had a reasonable career, but does not appear to pass WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 17:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Germany. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the above. In addition I don't believe that "He also is well known for being the German voice of American actor Richard Gere". Who knows or cares the names of people who dub the voices of well known actors? On French television (which I watch a lot) there are some voices that I recognize that I've heard before, but I don't have the least idea what the names of their owners are. Athel cb ( talk) 18:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Leaning keep, the German version is more substantiated. Athel cb, have you tried to search for traces of information that support the claim? It is of no consequence whatsoever which names you do or do not know. Voice actors seem to be a bigger deal in Germany than several other places, and Bengsch is among others discussed in Stars und ihre deutschen Stimmen, Lexikon der Synchronsprecher, as well as here, here/ here... The award seems pretty eccentric, but constitutes independent acknowledgement of Bensch' work. With that being said, the current article contains little worth saving. Geschichte ( talk) 18:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- "have you tried to search for traces of information that support the claim?". No, I haven't. Isn't it the author's job to supply evidence for the claims made? The statement has been there since June 2008 (15 years ago!), unsupported by any evidence. Athel cb ( talk) 21:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- The German Wikipedia article was and is one single click away. Geschichte ( talk) 21:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I don't have a view on whether the article should be deleted (article came up randomly for me when trawling unref'd BLPs), but the actor has received coverage as the voice of Gere. I've added a couple of refs. Tacyarg ( talk) 22:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Trying to ping @
User:Mushy Yank who recently improved another voice actor to meet
WP:HEY.
Geschichte (
talk)
13:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I will have a look. Best wishes, - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I will try and improve the page but I think he meets WP:NACTOR for his significant roles in Das Boot, both the film and the series, and Der Landartz at least. Also as voice actor, he received an award, and coverage. Best wishes, - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 01:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Bengsch played one of the most memorable characters in Das Boot, itself an important WW2 drama. I came to the page while watching Das Boot this evening, specifically to learn more about the actor. I think that should be enough to keep him. 173.66.245.239 ( talk) 04:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.
- Source eval:
Comments Source Page for movie, nothing about subject 1. richi (2023-11-29). "Das Boot - Director's Cut". Heidelberg aktuell (in German). Retrieved 2023-12-30. Name listed, nothing SIGCOV 2. ^ Baer, Hester (2021-02-05). German Cinema in the Age of Neoliberalism. Amsterdam University Press. ISBN 978-90-485-5195-8. Name listed, nothing SIGCOV 3. ^ Haines, Brigid; Parker, Stephen R.; Riordan, Colin (2010). Aesthetics and Politics in Modern German Culture: Festschrift in Honour of Rhys W. Williams. Peter Lang. ISBN 978-3-03911-355-2. Brief bio, name mentions, nothing SIGCOV 4. ^ Heptner, T.; Reichmann, H.P. (2006). Das Boot: auf der Suche nach der Crew der U 96. Schriftenreihe des Deutschen Filmmuseums Frankfurt (in German). Deutsches Filmmuseum. ISBN 978-3-89487-550-3. Retrieved 28 Dec 2023. Hubertus Bengsch zu einem gefragten Synchronsprecher und ist seit PRETTY WOMAN (1989) die deutsche Stimme von Richard Gere Name listed, nothing SIGCOV 5. ^ Theater heute. Friedrich Berlin Verlagsgesellschaft. 2006. Retrieved 28 Dec 2023. Hubertus Bengsch, ansonsten oft als Richard Gere zu hören, vollbringt hier das rare Kunststück, fast besser zu sein als das Original Database promo bio, unknown source [1] 6. ^ "Synchronsprecherpreis geht an die deutsche Stimme von Richard Gere - Stadt Lippstadt". 2017-08-30. Archived from the original on 2017-08-30. Retrieved 2023-12-30.
- Ping me if
WP:THREE sources are that meet WP:SIGCOV are found. Closer should note canvassing above. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Canvassing has not taken place "above". Only a single honest attempt to bring in a capable editor. You have read WP:CANVAS, right? It begins: "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus". Geschichte ( talk) 21:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Hubertus Bengsch ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
He exists, and has had a reasonable career, but does not appear to pass WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 17:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Germany. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the above. In addition I don't believe that "He also is well known for being the German voice of American actor Richard Gere". Who knows or cares the names of people who dub the voices of well known actors? On French television (which I watch a lot) there are some voices that I recognize that I've heard before, but I don't have the least idea what the names of their owners are. Athel cb ( talk) 18:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Leaning keep, the German version is more substantiated. Athel cb, have you tried to search for traces of information that support the claim? It is of no consequence whatsoever which names you do or do not know. Voice actors seem to be a bigger deal in Germany than several other places, and Bengsch is among others discussed in Stars und ihre deutschen Stimmen, Lexikon der Synchronsprecher, as well as here, here/ here... The award seems pretty eccentric, but constitutes independent acknowledgement of Bensch' work. With that being said, the current article contains little worth saving. Geschichte ( talk) 18:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- "have you tried to search for traces of information that support the claim?". No, I haven't. Isn't it the author's job to supply evidence for the claims made? The statement has been there since June 2008 (15 years ago!), unsupported by any evidence. Athel cb ( talk) 21:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- The German Wikipedia article was and is one single click away. Geschichte ( talk) 21:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I don't have a view on whether the article should be deleted (article came up randomly for me when trawling unref'd BLPs), but the actor has received coverage as the voice of Gere. I've added a couple of refs. Tacyarg ( talk) 22:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Trying to ping @
User:Mushy Yank who recently improved another voice actor to meet
WP:HEY.
Geschichte (
talk)
13:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I will have a look. Best wishes, - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I will try and improve the page but I think he meets WP:NACTOR for his significant roles in Das Boot, both the film and the series, and Der Landartz at least. Also as voice actor, he received an award, and coverage. Best wishes, - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 18:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 02:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 01:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Bengsch played one of the most memorable characters in Das Boot, itself an important WW2 drama. I came to the page while watching Das Boot this evening, specifically to learn more about the actor. I think that should be enough to keep him. 173.66.245.239 ( talk) 04:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.
- Source eval:
Comments Source Page for movie, nothing about subject 1. richi (2023-11-29). "Das Boot - Director's Cut". Heidelberg aktuell (in German). Retrieved 2023-12-30. Name listed, nothing SIGCOV 2. ^ Baer, Hester (2021-02-05). German Cinema in the Age of Neoliberalism. Amsterdam University Press. ISBN 978-90-485-5195-8. Name listed, nothing SIGCOV 3. ^ Haines, Brigid; Parker, Stephen R.; Riordan, Colin (2010). Aesthetics and Politics in Modern German Culture: Festschrift in Honour of Rhys W. Williams. Peter Lang. ISBN 978-3-03911-355-2. Brief bio, name mentions, nothing SIGCOV 4. ^ Heptner, T.; Reichmann, H.P. (2006). Das Boot: auf der Suche nach der Crew der U 96. Schriftenreihe des Deutschen Filmmuseums Frankfurt (in German). Deutsches Filmmuseum. ISBN 978-3-89487-550-3. Retrieved 28 Dec 2023. Hubertus Bengsch zu einem gefragten Synchronsprecher und ist seit PRETTY WOMAN (1989) die deutsche Stimme von Richard Gere Name listed, nothing SIGCOV 5. ^ Theater heute. Friedrich Berlin Verlagsgesellschaft. 2006. Retrieved 28 Dec 2023. Hubertus Bengsch, ansonsten oft als Richard Gere zu hören, vollbringt hier das rare Kunststück, fast besser zu sein als das Original Database promo bio, unknown source [1] 6. ^ "Synchronsprecherpreis geht an die deutsche Stimme von Richard Gere - Stadt Lippstadt". 2017-08-30. Archived from the original on 2017-08-30. Retrieved 2023-12-30.
- Ping me if
WP:THREE sources are that meet WP:SIGCOV are found. Closer should note canvassing above. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Canvassing has not taken place "above". Only a single honest attempt to bring in a capable editor. You have read WP:CANVAS, right? It begins: "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus". Geschichte ( talk) 21:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.