- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Definite consensus to keep. Whether the page is expanded, merged to or from, or changed to a DAB, or whatever, is beyond the scope of AfD. Joyous! | Talk 15:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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unclear what this page is supposed to be, borderline on incoherent but subject to a slow motion edit war to reinstate the content over a redirect. To quote @
Lithopsian:, s this an article, a list, a dab page or something else? anyway, it is uncited, and breaks a redirect used in a lot of articles
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Taking Out The Trash (
talk)
02:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Keep because "Honinbo" is certainly *something* and certainly *notable*. However, quite what should be at this title is very unclear. There is Honinbo (competition), Honorary Honinbo (redirect to section at Honorary Go titles), Hon'inbō and Honinbo school, Hon'inbo, Hon'inbo school, and more, all redirects to Four Go houses. So, is there a primary topic for "Honinbo", or is it the place to put a dab page? If so, is it the house, the competition, or the title? Does the title merit its own article at all, independent of the house and the tournament? It might be much clearer if the house, from which everything else derives, had its own article instead of a fairly short section at Four Go houses. I don't know the answer, but keep the page and make some hard decisions about what should live on it. If we do decide to have a non-redirect and non-dab at the title, what we have now probably isn't good enough for mainspace, so either call it a list (and move it), merge it to an existing article, or move it to draft. Lithopsian ( talk) 14:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. This seems like a reasonable page. It contains material not found elsewhere, and refers to what is already elsewhere. Discussions about the contents belong on the Talk page. EiichiGo ( talk) 21:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I just wanted to mention that we also have a Women's Honinbo article as well.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, the topic(s) is notable, even if there is some disagreement over the scope of the page. Fulmard ( talk) 20:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as per Liz's relisting comment, the lack of (valid) policies in debates and possibilities other than keeping.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy ( talk) 07:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - seems like it should be a dab or outline page. Plenty of other relevant pages it could link to. Notability doesn't seem to be in question. JMWt ( talk) 07:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Funny how people keep relisting. That is counterproductive. The present article was created in a series of over twenty edits around Feb 1st. The nomination for deletion was made at the very start of that series of edits (violating WP:DNB and WP:Introduction_to_deletion_process#Competence). The article that was nominated for deletion does not resemble the current article. Nobody has pointed out any problem with the present article. The content is notable and referenced. Further work is needed but is waiting for the resolution of this NfD. EiichiGo ( talk) 09:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Definite consensus to keep. Whether the page is expanded, merged to or from, or changed to a DAB, or whatever, is beyond the scope of AfD. Joyous! | Talk 15:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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- Honinbo ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
unclear what this page is supposed to be, borderline on incoherent but subject to a slow motion edit war to reinstate the content over a redirect. To quote @
Lithopsian:, s this an article, a list, a dab page or something else? anyway, it is uncited, and breaks a redirect used in a lot of articles
.
Taking Out The Trash (
talk)
02:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Keep because "Honinbo" is certainly *something* and certainly *notable*. However, quite what should be at this title is very unclear. There is Honinbo (competition), Honorary Honinbo (redirect to section at Honorary Go titles), Hon'inbō and Honinbo school, Hon'inbo, Hon'inbo school, and more, all redirects to Four Go houses. So, is there a primary topic for "Honinbo", or is it the place to put a dab page? If so, is it the house, the competition, or the title? Does the title merit its own article at all, independent of the house and the tournament? It might be much clearer if the house, from which everything else derives, had its own article instead of a fairly short section at Four Go houses. I don't know the answer, but keep the page and make some hard decisions about what should live on it. If we do decide to have a non-redirect and non-dab at the title, what we have now probably isn't good enough for mainspace, so either call it a list (and move it), merge it to an existing article, or move it to draft. Lithopsian ( talk) 14:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. This seems like a reasonable page. It contains material not found elsewhere, and refers to what is already elsewhere. Discussions about the contents belong on the Talk page. EiichiGo ( talk) 21:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I just wanted to mention that we also have a Women's Honinbo article as well.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, the topic(s) is notable, even if there is some disagreement over the scope of the page. Fulmard ( talk) 20:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as per Liz's relisting comment, the lack of (valid) policies in debates and possibilities other than keeping.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy ( talk) 07:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - seems like it should be a dab or outline page. Plenty of other relevant pages it could link to. Notability doesn't seem to be in question. JMWt ( talk) 07:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Funny how people keep relisting. That is counterproductive. The present article was created in a series of over twenty edits around Feb 1st. The nomination for deletion was made at the very start of that series of edits (violating WP:DNB and WP:Introduction_to_deletion_process#Competence). The article that was nominated for deletion does not resemble the current article. Nobody has pointed out any problem with the present article. The content is notable and referenced. Further work is needed but is waiting for the resolution of this NfD. EiichiGo ( talk) 09:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.