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The result was redirect‎ to Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names. Thanks for the clarification on target articles. Editors interested in Merging any information know where they can find it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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Mass-created article by Carlossuarez46.

Cites only GNIS, which is unreliable and does not satisfy the requirement for legal recognition per WP:GNIS. Populated places without legal recognition need to pass WP:GNG, however there is no evidence of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources here.

In my WP:BEFORE I searched Newspapers.com for Hokokwito, Hococwedoc, and Hok-ok-wi-dok but drew a blank. I also searched Google Books which found a single one-sentence mention that appears to originate in the 1870's with work by Stephen Powers. In full it reads:

"Hok-ok'-wi-dok, which stood very near where Hutchings Hotel now stands, opposite Yosemite Fall"

This single-sentence, 16-word mention, is not significant coverage. Whilst other books include exactly the same description copied from the Powers one, this copying also does not amount to significant coverage. A search on the Internet Archive also only turned up copies of this single-sentence description from Powers.

A redirect to Yosemite Valley, California would be acceptable as an ATD. We do not have an article specifically about Yosemite Village, in which Hutchings Hotel was apparently located.(apparently I just wasn't looking in the right place). FOARP ( talk) 16:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and California. FOARP ( talk) 16:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Yosemite Village Historic District ☺ It even has the Hutchings, although this would be an odd-seeming redirect. Uncle G ( talk) 17:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• The GNIS record coming up blank (sic!) doesn't help. But I found this under Awani in Henshaw 1912, p. 118, as a simple listing of "9 villages", which is probably the best indicator of where we should have it, given that our article has a "Dwellings" section. Uncle G ( talk) 17:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
  • https://books.google.nl/books?id=IGzgCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=hokokwito+miwok&source=bl&ots=R83e0xWJYR&sig=ACfU3U02jNaBjfCV8Sq0z5t-4iP-w16qEA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii1p3mxcGCAxWIg_0HHRbbBwM4FBDoAXoECAMQAw#v=onepage&q=hokokwito%20miwok&f=false Djflem ( talk) 18:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
    • That cites Henshaw 1912, p. 118 as its source at the bottom of the article, except sans the author and the specific page number. ☺ And that bare URL doesn't work outside of The Netherlands. Uncle G ( talk) 12:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• I'm OK with a redirect to Ahwahnechee#Paiute_Ahwahnechee_place_names. FOARP ( talk) 21:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names per above discussion jengod ( talk) 19:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Would need to be listed there. Djflem ( talk) 03:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Merge to Ahwahnechee listing all of the nine villages mentioned in references either in place names, new subsection, or as prose in text. Do same with Sakaya, California. Djflem ( talk) 03:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC) reply
  • I'm stuck with Kentucky at the moment, but I could give it a go. Uncle G ( talk) 12:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Done. I did the additional three villages that were terrible GNIS mess substubs as well. Uncle G ( talk) 13:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 06:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Merge per Djflem; site is documented and might be of interest to anyone researching historical sites, but probably not enough information for an article. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 15:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting just because there are several different Redirect/Merge target articles mentioned. We need to narrow that down to one.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Really? FOARP, Jengod, Djflem, and I have all pointed to the same article. Where's the other one? Uncle G ( talk) 12:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply
  • @ Uncle G The two targets are: Yosemite Valley, California & Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply
    • No they aren't. Read what FOARP wrote later in the discussion. Uncle G ( talk) 18:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply
      • FOARP said he was ok with the other redirect, but the option still stands for their original suggestion. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 20:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply
        • FOARP was the one who suggested that redirect in the first place, in light of Henshaw 1912, p. 118. You are defending a misreading of everyone quite clearly already agreeing with FOARP a fortnight ago. Uncle G ( talk) 21:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

          Sorry if I was unclear - both redirects are fine but Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names is my preference. FOARP ( talk) 21:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Redirect to Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names per the above discussion. It's true, other articles were mentioned earlier in the thread, but having now seen the options I agree with where the general consensus has landed. Cheers. Cielquiparle ( talk) 15:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

  Also...I just don't see that there is information to "merge" to the redirect target, either, since there is barely any information there and we're treating GNIS as a deprecated source. Cielquiparle ( talk) 15:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.