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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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Boilerplate rationale adapted from my previous AfDs of similar photographer articles (such as Keizaburō Saeki), which itself was largely borrowed from Cckerberos at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hideki Kasai. Keizaburō Saeki, Hideki Kasai, and this currently-nominated article are all identical bot-created articles. I have nominated several others for deletion, but have improved and de-orphaned quite a few more when sources have been available.
To quote Cckerberos: "This article is a generic stub, generated by a bot in 2007. It makes no specific claim to notability; it appears that similar stubs were created for every photographer listed in 328 Outstanding Japanese Photographers, all with the format "Name (years) is a renowned Japanese photographer" (compare the nominated article with Gen Ōtsuka, for example). Tokyo Metropolitan Museum of Photography states that the sole criteria for inclusion in the book was to have a single photograph in the museum's permanent collection at the time the book was published. That doesn't seem to meet WP:CREATIVE."
In addition to Cckerberos's excellent commentary, I'll note that I've done as thorough a WP:BEFORE check as possible for an English-speaker: Google searches of both the English and Japanese order of the English transliteration of his name. I have also checked the Japanese name. The English transliterations turned up nothing. The Japanese characters brought up trivial Google book results, but nothing of substance.
He is name-dropped on one page, without elaboration, in the reasonably thorough The History of Japanese Photography. The Japanese Wikipedia has no article about him, so there are no sources to be borrowed from it. I searched his Japanese name there and found nothing in any other article.
In the absence of reliable sources, we cannot verify that this person is notable, so the article, like many of the previous bot-generated photographers before it, should be deleted. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete without prejudicing any conscientious attempt in the future to create a worthwhile article. Sumitomo gets one page (188) within the 328 book. Although my impression is that he's less than averagely noteworthy among the 328 photographers, I think that a short article could be written about him and that this would benefit the encyclopedia. However, as he's a Japanese photographer who's not at all trendy, the chances that anyone would create such an article are slim indeed. Meanwhile, the presence of this substub is mildly annoying. ¶ PMC, as your efforts to clear en:WP of Polbot-generated junk continue, you may find the list Japanese photographers useful. Although it has subsequently undergone occasional tinkering, no real effort has gone into revising it since around 2009, and therefore its classification of the en:WP articles into "BGSS", "OK" etc is unreliable; however, it should still be useful as a guide to who is written up in which reference book. ¶ If I were to revise that list (and no, I have no intention of doing so), I might augment it with some other reference works and lists of notable photographers. One is Kōtarō Iizawa's 『日本の写真家101』 (i.e. 101 Japanese photographers, ISBN 9784403250958), my copy of which I happen to have in front of me: Sumitomo isn't one of the 101 and doesn't appear in the book's index. -- Hoary ( talk) 22:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hoary, I always appreciate you weighing in on these - it's nice to have someone with knowledge of the area commenting. For what it's worth, my attentions are mostly focused on the ones in the Feb 09 orphans category, so once those are dealt with I'm unlikely to return to the topic. Your list is a good resource to be aware of though, I wish I'd seen it sooner. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
02:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- A pity you're no sticking around, PMC. There are so many Japanese photographers who merit articles. Well, for your or anyone else's benefit: There's another handbook to Japanese photographers, and this time with potted bios in English as well as in Japanese. It's 101: Only One Photo Collection = 『101 フジフィルム・フォトコレクション』 (published by Fujifilm in 2016; no ISBN but it's here at CiNii). And sorry, Sumitomo isn't in it. - Hoary ( talk) 12:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hoary, I always appreciate you weighing in on these - it's nice to have someone with knowledge of the area commenting. For what it's worth, my attentions are mostly focused on the ones in the Feb 09 orphans category, so once those are dealt with I'm unlikely to return to the topic. Your list is a good resource to be aware of though, I wish I'd seen it sooner. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
02:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - there's no evidence any of his work is in a major collection on view. Bearian ( talk) 18:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sandstein 18:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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- Hiroshi Sumitomo ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Boilerplate rationale adapted from my previous AfDs of similar photographer articles (such as Keizaburō Saeki), which itself was largely borrowed from Cckerberos at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hideki Kasai. Keizaburō Saeki, Hideki Kasai, and this currently-nominated article are all identical bot-created articles. I have nominated several others for deletion, but have improved and de-orphaned quite a few more when sources have been available.
To quote Cckerberos: "This article is a generic stub, generated by a bot in 2007. It makes no specific claim to notability; it appears that similar stubs were created for every photographer listed in 328 Outstanding Japanese Photographers, all with the format "Name (years) is a renowned Japanese photographer" (compare the nominated article with Gen Ōtsuka, for example). Tokyo Metropolitan Museum of Photography states that the sole criteria for inclusion in the book was to have a single photograph in the museum's permanent collection at the time the book was published. That doesn't seem to meet WP:CREATIVE."
In addition to Cckerberos's excellent commentary, I'll note that I've done as thorough a WP:BEFORE check as possible for an English-speaker: Google searches of both the English and Japanese order of the English transliteration of his name. I have also checked the Japanese name. The English transliterations turned up nothing. The Japanese characters brought up trivial Google book results, but nothing of substance.
He is name-dropped on one page, without elaboration, in the reasonably thorough The History of Japanese Photography. The Japanese Wikipedia has no article about him, so there are no sources to be borrowed from it. I searched his Japanese name there and found nothing in any other article.
In the absence of reliable sources, we cannot verify that this person is notable, so the article, like many of the previous bot-generated photographers before it, should be deleted. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete without prejudicing any conscientious attempt in the future to create a worthwhile article. Sumitomo gets one page (188) within the 328 book. Although my impression is that he's less than averagely noteworthy among the 328 photographers, I think that a short article could be written about him and that this would benefit the encyclopedia. However, as he's a Japanese photographer who's not at all trendy, the chances that anyone would create such an article are slim indeed. Meanwhile, the presence of this substub is mildly annoying. ¶ PMC, as your efforts to clear en:WP of Polbot-generated junk continue, you may find the list Japanese photographers useful. Although it has subsequently undergone occasional tinkering, no real effort has gone into revising it since around 2009, and therefore its classification of the en:WP articles into "BGSS", "OK" etc is unreliable; however, it should still be useful as a guide to who is written up in which reference book. ¶ If I were to revise that list (and no, I have no intention of doing so), I might augment it with some other reference works and lists of notable photographers. One is Kōtarō Iizawa's 『日本の写真家101』 (i.e. 101 Japanese photographers, ISBN 9784403250958), my copy of which I happen to have in front of me: Sumitomo isn't one of the 101 and doesn't appear in the book's index. -- Hoary ( talk) 22:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hoary, I always appreciate you weighing in on these - it's nice to have someone with knowledge of the area commenting. For what it's worth, my attentions are mostly focused on the ones in the Feb 09 orphans category, so once those are dealt with I'm unlikely to return to the topic. Your list is a good resource to be aware of though, I wish I'd seen it sooner. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
02:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- A pity you're no sticking around, PMC. There are so many Japanese photographers who merit articles. Well, for your or anyone else's benefit: There's another handbook to Japanese photographers, and this time with potted bios in English as well as in Japanese. It's 101: Only One Photo Collection = 『101 フジフィルム・フォトコレクション』 (published by Fujifilm in 2016; no ISBN but it's here at CiNii). And sorry, Sumitomo isn't in it. - Hoary ( talk) 12:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hoary, I always appreciate you weighing in on these - it's nice to have someone with knowledge of the area commenting. For what it's worth, my attentions are mostly focused on the ones in the Feb 09 orphans category, so once those are dealt with I'm unlikely to return to the topic. Your list is a good resource to be aware of though, I wish I'd seen it sooner. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
02:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - there's no evidence any of his work is in a major collection on view. Bearian ( talk) 18:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.