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The result was no consensus. Ixfd64 ( talk) 23:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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"Corners" don't have a good record in AfD, and this is not an exception, IMO. While there is a great deal of commercial development at this spot now, it's a quite recent thing: for decades the only significant building there was a forestry guard station. Searching produces lots of geological and transport name drops but nothing identifying this as a settlement. Mangoe ( talk) 20:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - While definitely not a booming metropolis, it is clearly a settlement. I found enough newspaper articles to substantiate this, here's a selection: Newspaper article from 2014 [1], 1987 newspaper article on HC history [2], a 1952 newspaper article about a temporary San Quentin prisoner camp there [3], column on local politics [4], a 1967 article on the history of HC [5], a 1967 article mentioning development plans for HC, [6], 1980 article on local politics re: fire station and forestry station in HC [7] and [8], Area planning document [9], 1929 news re transportation matters: [10], [11] which by 1930 was unprofitable: [12], 1997 mention that Higgins Corner was an unsophisticated name likening it to "Dogpatch", ha!: [13], 1953 Mention of the HC service station, beer bar and snack bar there: [14]. - Netherzone ( talk) 21:39, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Per GEOLAND, populated places without legal recognition require SIGCOV, simple mentions showing its existence is not enough to establish notability and none of the above is SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Fails GEOLAND and GNG. //
Timothy ::
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10:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- TimothyBlue, Did you read the articles linked in my comment? Several of these are complete articles about Higgins Corner, not merely mentions. Articles are non-trivial and constitute SIGCOV, as they do address the subject directly and in-depth. Meets WP:GEOLAND per criteria 2. Netherzone ( talk) 21:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - unincorporated places have to meet a higher bar than those with legal standing, as mentioned above. I do not see this place meeting that standard - it certainly exists, but is there enough coverage to justify an article? I'm not seeing it, personally. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 13:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just because somewhere is unincorporated doesn't mean it has no legal standing - "legally recognized" is a much lower bar than incorporation, as is made clear by the examples set out in WP:GEOLAND.---- Pontificalibus 14:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This official Area Plan prepared by Nevada County states that the "Higgins Corner - Lake of the Pines Village Center" is a distinct place between Wolf, California and Lake of the Pines, California with its own fire district, and that the plan aims to "...preserve the identity of the area as a ...family-oriented community" while retaining its "unique, small town atmosphere" and that it contains 136 acres of multi-family residential land. Even if you think this official plan by the county doesn't demonstrate that the place is legally recognized, the sources above are still sufficient to satisfy WP:GEOLAND.---- Pontificalibus 14:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep A clear settlement, with plenty of articles and newspapers to back it up (and not mere mentions either), as pointed out by Netherzone. Knightoften ( talk) 21:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Ixfd64 ( talk) 23:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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"Corners" don't have a good record in AfD, and this is not an exception, IMO. While there is a great deal of commercial development at this spot now, it's a quite recent thing: for decades the only significant building there was a forestry guard station. Searching produces lots of geological and transport name drops but nothing identifying this as a settlement. Mangoe ( talk) 20:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - While definitely not a booming metropolis, it is clearly a settlement. I found enough newspaper articles to substantiate this, here's a selection: Newspaper article from 2014 [1], 1987 newspaper article on HC history [2], a 1952 newspaper article about a temporary San Quentin prisoner camp there [3], column on local politics [4], a 1967 article on the history of HC [5], a 1967 article mentioning development plans for HC, [6], 1980 article on local politics re: fire station and forestry station in HC [7] and [8], Area planning document [9], 1929 news re transportation matters: [10], [11] which by 1930 was unprofitable: [12], 1997 mention that Higgins Corner was an unsophisticated name likening it to "Dogpatch", ha!: [13], 1953 Mention of the HC service station, beer bar and snack bar there: [14]. - Netherzone ( talk) 21:39, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Per GEOLAND, populated places without legal recognition require SIGCOV, simple mentions showing its existence is not enough to establish notability and none of the above is SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Fails GEOLAND and GNG. //
Timothy ::
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10:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- TimothyBlue, Did you read the articles linked in my comment? Several of these are complete articles about Higgins Corner, not merely mentions. Articles are non-trivial and constitute SIGCOV, as they do address the subject directly and in-depth. Meets WP:GEOLAND per criteria 2. Netherzone ( talk) 21:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - unincorporated places have to meet a higher bar than those with legal standing, as mentioned above. I do not see this place meeting that standard - it certainly exists, but is there enough coverage to justify an article? I'm not seeing it, personally. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 13:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just because somewhere is unincorporated doesn't mean it has no legal standing - "legally recognized" is a much lower bar than incorporation, as is made clear by the examples set out in WP:GEOLAND.---- Pontificalibus 14:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This official Area Plan prepared by Nevada County states that the "Higgins Corner - Lake of the Pines Village Center" is a distinct place between Wolf, California and Lake of the Pines, California with its own fire district, and that the plan aims to "...preserve the identity of the area as a ...family-oriented community" while retaining its "unique, small town atmosphere" and that it contains 136 acres of multi-family residential land. Even if you think this official plan by the county doesn't demonstrate that the place is legally recognized, the sources above are still sufficient to satisfy WP:GEOLAND.---- Pontificalibus 14:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep A clear settlement, with plenty of articles and newspapers to back it up (and not mere mentions either), as pointed out by Netherzone. Knightoften ( talk) 21:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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