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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Rorshacma ( talk) 15:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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This article is on a hotel that never actually existed. It was planned, but never constructed. The only source that talks about it, which is what the entirety of the information on the article comes from, is a single blurb from the New York Times which is nothing more than an announcement of the project, and is not enough to pass the WP:GNG. Every other source being used in the article are about other things that were named after Hendrik Hudson and have nothing to do with this building at all. Searching for more sources on this non-existent hotel brings up nothing but mentions of a different, completely unrelated hotel that bore the same name. And while the argument could be made that this article could be re-purposed to be about that one instead, there is nothing I can find to indicate any notability for that location either. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator - Uncle G has demonstrated below that this case isn't as clear cut as I initially believed, so I am withdrawing this nomination. Rorshacma ( talk) 15:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- The different hotel, that very much does exist, at
380 Riverside Drive, is the one that
Salwen 1989, p. 127 claims this plan eventually turned into, when it was finally built 10 years later.
Uncle G (
talk)
23:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Gray, Christopher (1996-12-29). "A Decision to Save a Lump of Terra Cotta and Brick". New York Times.
- Salwen, Peter (1989). Upper West Side Story: A History and Guide. Peter Salwen. ISBN 9780896598942.
- Crain, Esther (2009-09-23). "Riverside Drive's Hendrik Hudson apartments". Ephemeral New York.
- Alpern, Andrew (1992). "The Hendrik Hudson at 380 Riverside Drive". Luxury Apartment Houses of Manhattan: An Illustrated History. Dover Architecture Series. Courier Corporation. pp. 77–83.
ISBN
9780486273709.
- Comment The different hotel I was referring to in my nomination was actually not the one your links are referring to, but to the one in Troy, New York that bears the same name. I actually did not find the links you provided, which seem to indicate that the plans for the 18 floor hotel were scrapped to instead build an 8 story apartment complex with the same name. At this point, I'm leaning towards Withdrawing my nomination, and substantially rewriting, expanding, and renaming (as the final building was apparently never referred to as a "hotel" in its name) this article to cover the actual final building, based on your sources. But I will leave this AFD open for a bit longer, to see if any other editors have any comments on its notability. Nice work finding this information, by the way. I had only been searching for information regarding the proposed hotel without success, and had not considered that the proposal had transformed so radically to the final building.
Rorshacma (
talk)
00:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- I started with the ignorant question Is there actually a building on Riverside Drive called the Hendrik Hudson? ☺
Personally, I think that Salwen has made a somewhat tenuous connection, and were I rewriting this I would include the 1897 plan merely to show that Johnson and Kahn were not the first to have such an idea. Once you get to Alpern 1992 you will realize how much of a potential article there is here anyway. The 1907 pictures in the MCNY collection indicated by Alpern I would expect to be public domain now, and would be worth chasing up by a Wikipedia writer with access, for starters.
See Penrhiw Priory ( AfD discussion) for another building with history that needs attention and that Wikipedia had us believe was (just) a hotel, by the way.
- I started with the ignorant question Is there actually a building on Riverside Drive called the Hendrik Hudson? ☺
- Comment The different hotel I was referring to in my nomination was actually not the one your links are referring to, but to the one in Troy, New York that bears the same name. I actually did not find the links you provided, which seem to indicate that the plans for the 18 floor hotel were scrapped to instead build an 8 story apartment complex with the same name. At this point, I'm leaning towards Withdrawing my nomination, and substantially rewriting, expanding, and renaming (as the final building was apparently never referred to as a "hotel" in its name) this article to cover the actual final building, based on your sources. But I will leave this AFD open for a bit longer, to see if any other editors have any comments on its notability. Nice work finding this information, by the way. I had only been searching for information regarding the proposed hotel without success, and had not considered that the proposal had transformed so radically to the final building.
Rorshacma (
talk)
00:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Rorshacma ( talk) 15:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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This article is on a hotel that never actually existed. It was planned, but never constructed. The only source that talks about it, which is what the entirety of the information on the article comes from, is a single blurb from the New York Times which is nothing more than an announcement of the project, and is not enough to pass the WP:GNG. Every other source being used in the article are about other things that were named after Hendrik Hudson and have nothing to do with this building at all. Searching for more sources on this non-existent hotel brings up nothing but mentions of a different, completely unrelated hotel that bore the same name. And while the argument could be made that this article could be re-purposed to be about that one instead, there is nothing I can find to indicate any notability for that location either. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator - Uncle G has demonstrated below that this case isn't as clear cut as I initially believed, so I am withdrawing this nomination. Rorshacma ( talk) 15:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- The different hotel, that very much does exist, at
380 Riverside Drive, is the one that
Salwen 1989, p. 127 claims this plan eventually turned into, when it was finally built 10 years later.
Uncle G (
talk)
23:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Gray, Christopher (1996-12-29). "A Decision to Save a Lump of Terra Cotta and Brick". New York Times.
- Salwen, Peter (1989). Upper West Side Story: A History and Guide. Peter Salwen. ISBN 9780896598942.
- Crain, Esther (2009-09-23). "Riverside Drive's Hendrik Hudson apartments". Ephemeral New York.
- Alpern, Andrew (1992). "The Hendrik Hudson at 380 Riverside Drive". Luxury Apartment Houses of Manhattan: An Illustrated History. Dover Architecture Series. Courier Corporation. pp. 77–83.
ISBN
9780486273709.
- Comment The different hotel I was referring to in my nomination was actually not the one your links are referring to, but to the one in Troy, New York that bears the same name. I actually did not find the links you provided, which seem to indicate that the plans for the 18 floor hotel were scrapped to instead build an 8 story apartment complex with the same name. At this point, I'm leaning towards Withdrawing my nomination, and substantially rewriting, expanding, and renaming (as the final building was apparently never referred to as a "hotel" in its name) this article to cover the actual final building, based on your sources. But I will leave this AFD open for a bit longer, to see if any other editors have any comments on its notability. Nice work finding this information, by the way. I had only been searching for information regarding the proposed hotel without success, and had not considered that the proposal had transformed so radically to the final building.
Rorshacma (
talk)
00:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- I started with the ignorant question Is there actually a building on Riverside Drive called the Hendrik Hudson? ☺
Personally, I think that Salwen has made a somewhat tenuous connection, and were I rewriting this I would include the 1897 plan merely to show that Johnson and Kahn were not the first to have such an idea. Once you get to Alpern 1992 you will realize how much of a potential article there is here anyway. The 1907 pictures in the MCNY collection indicated by Alpern I would expect to be public domain now, and would be worth chasing up by a Wikipedia writer with access, for starters.
See Penrhiw Priory ( AfD discussion) for another building with history that needs attention and that Wikipedia had us believe was (just) a hotel, by the way.
- I started with the ignorant question Is there actually a building on Riverside Drive called the Hendrik Hudson? ☺
- Comment The different hotel I was referring to in my nomination was actually not the one your links are referring to, but to the one in Troy, New York that bears the same name. I actually did not find the links you provided, which seem to indicate that the plans for the 18 floor hotel were scrapped to instead build an 8 story apartment complex with the same name. At this point, I'm leaning towards Withdrawing my nomination, and substantially rewriting, expanding, and renaming (as the final building was apparently never referred to as a "hotel" in its name) this article to cover the actual final building, based on your sources. But I will leave this AFD open for a bit longer, to see if any other editors have any comments on its notability. Nice work finding this information, by the way. I had only been searching for information regarding the proposed hotel without success, and had not considered that the proposal had transformed so radically to the final building.
Rorshacma (
talk)
00:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.