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As stated in the previous AfD, identical information is found in
The Nexus (professional wrestling),
The Corre,
Heath Slater and
Justin Gabriel. When the other AfD was closed over three years ago due to no consensus, there was an agreement that this information was redundant and that we needed to change something. We never did. I think we have better agreement on when tag teams warrant a separate article than we did then and can reassess this case. I believe this article is unnecessary as Slater and Gabriel never teamed outside of the larger factions.
LM2000 (
talk)
05:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep - I would suggest that the "better agreement" is more a reflection of attrition--speaking for myself, I tend to avoid these discussions because of the sheer number some members of WP:PW put forward en masse as well as the endless arguments, as delete voters tend to get confrontational and want endless arguments instead of allowing closing administrators to weigh the arguments on their own. Easily enough reliable third-party sources to warrant a Wikipedia article. While I am fully aware that an argument about content forking will be invoked, the guideline says that it is okay for spin-off articles to be created to provide more detailed information about specific aspects of a topic.
GaryColemanFan (
talk)
16:04, 10 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. No distinct notability as a team. The individual memebers, and the factions they were part of, yes, but these two specifically as a team, no.
oknazevad (
talk)
00:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete – I would buy this as notable if it were about the tag team of
Dick Slater and
Peter Gabriel (and I'd pay money to see that!). The keep voters make the same arguments that have been made in other AFDs, often the same people making the same argument, namely that the mere existence of citations pointing to reliable sources = evidence of notability. In other words, as far as they're concerned, the agenda of their cherry-picked sources automatically becomes our agenda and it matters little or none if that agenda extends to providing comprehensive coverage of what's notable about the topic of professional wrestling. There are simply far too many examples of what's wrong with that approach, so I won't dwell on such. However, one which stood out is the fact that we have
Category:American Wrestling Association teams and stables which is reasonably well-populated, but no article on The High Flyers.
Greg Gagne and
Jim Brunzell teamed together and appeared on the top or middle of the card for close to a decade and a half, including many years in which the AWA regularly appeared in 15–20,000-seat arenas. I suppose none of that matters when compared with every little present-day fleeting trending topic mentioned by present-day fanboy news sites. Likewise, no article on The Crush Gals, who were absolutely freaking huge at the height of their popularity, while we do have an article on
The Jumping Bomb Angels, who were nowhere near as big a deal but made a small handful of appearances on WWF television. Like I said, I could go on forever about that but would rather not. To sum it up, this approach begs the question: which part of "
Wikipedia is not a newspaper" requires further debate/discussion or deserves to be disregarded?
RadioKAOS /
Talk to me, Billy /
Transmissions 17:09, 24 September 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
As stated in the previous AfD, identical information is found in
The Nexus (professional wrestling),
The Corre,
Heath Slater and
Justin Gabriel. When the other AfD was closed over three years ago due to no consensus, there was an agreement that this information was redundant and that we needed to change something. We never did. I think we have better agreement on when tag teams warrant a separate article than we did then and can reassess this case. I believe this article is unnecessary as Slater and Gabriel never teamed outside of the larger factions.
LM2000 (
talk)
05:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep - I would suggest that the "better agreement" is more a reflection of attrition--speaking for myself, I tend to avoid these discussions because of the sheer number some members of WP:PW put forward en masse as well as the endless arguments, as delete voters tend to get confrontational and want endless arguments instead of allowing closing administrators to weigh the arguments on their own. Easily enough reliable third-party sources to warrant a Wikipedia article. While I am fully aware that an argument about content forking will be invoked, the guideline says that it is okay for spin-off articles to be created to provide more detailed information about specific aspects of a topic.
GaryColemanFan (
talk)
16:04, 10 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. No distinct notability as a team. The individual memebers, and the factions they were part of, yes, but these two specifically as a team, no.
oknazevad (
talk)
00:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete – I would buy this as notable if it were about the tag team of
Dick Slater and
Peter Gabriel (and I'd pay money to see that!). The keep voters make the same arguments that have been made in other AFDs, often the same people making the same argument, namely that the mere existence of citations pointing to reliable sources = evidence of notability. In other words, as far as they're concerned, the agenda of their cherry-picked sources automatically becomes our agenda and it matters little or none if that agenda extends to providing comprehensive coverage of what's notable about the topic of professional wrestling. There are simply far too many examples of what's wrong with that approach, so I won't dwell on such. However, one which stood out is the fact that we have
Category:American Wrestling Association teams and stables which is reasonably well-populated, but no article on The High Flyers.
Greg Gagne and
Jim Brunzell teamed together and appeared on the top or middle of the card for close to a decade and a half, including many years in which the AWA regularly appeared in 15–20,000-seat arenas. I suppose none of that matters when compared with every little present-day fleeting trending topic mentioned by present-day fanboy news sites. Likewise, no article on The Crush Gals, who were absolutely freaking huge at the height of their popularity, while we do have an article on
The Jumping Bomb Angels, who were nowhere near as big a deal but made a small handful of appearances on WWF television. Like I said, I could go on forever about that but would rather not. To sum it up, this approach begs the question: which part of "
Wikipedia is not a newspaper" requires further debate/discussion or deserves to be disregarded?
RadioKAOS /
Talk to me, Billy /
Transmissions 17:09, 24 September 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.