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The result was keep. Tone 08:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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Town does not seem to exist. The provided location covers a farm and a swamp, and no buildings, and I have found no references to the place, it is not in any US Census databases. Article has no content other than describing the town's supposed phyical location. dmartin969 04:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. No evidence it's an actual populated place. —Мандичка YO 😜 04:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. FWIW, the USGS calls this place a U6 unincorporated community ( 295336) per map data compilations as of 1976–1981. The coordinates match the GNIS database, but the nominator's assessment of the map view is correct. • Gene93k ( talk) 23:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete GNIS database cites the USGS topo map Sunniland, which displays Harker in its 1958 map, but WP:NGEO says "This guideline specifically excludes maps and census tables from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject." An Information Circular I can't read all of may suggest it was the name of an oil well. Without substantive coverage or perhaps a historic post office, there is no notability for this as an article and certainly nothing sustaining the negligent production of pages saying "Harker is an unincorporated community". Reywas92 Talk 00:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete We've shown recently articles cited to the GNIS alone do not pass WP:GEOLAND #1, and my online searches only bring up people named Harker in Florida. Fails WP:GEOLAND, WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 02:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, While I would have said Delete based on everything above, from the topo map it looked to me that this was a stop on the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad. Searching on that & Harker led me to this book which said Harker was a community "known for its squash, potatoes, and large tomatoes. It was mostly home to farm workers who road the daily train south to various work sites". According to the index, it looks like there is more on pages not available in the google book snippet. I'm convinced this was an actual populated place at one time. Page 202 of this book says Harker is one of at least 15 communities in a contiguous 40-mile line that are now gone. MB 05:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's in the official US gazetteer from 1992, but I think that's similar or equivalent to the GNIS database as it listed subdivisions as populated places. I've done several very specific newspaper searches and it never gets mentioned. It's on Google Maps, but the two closest buildings to the point have Immokalee city addresses. A historic aerial photo search possibly shows up to two buildings in 1952, but no mention of the buildings on the 1959 topo map. Interestingly the place continues to appear on the 2015 topo map. Do you have any idea what years it would have been populated? SportingFlyer T· C 10:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- There is a page or two on the community in the book. If someone had a hard-copy we would have a lot more info. But the railroad was built circa 1921. It was abandoned in the 80s, but most of it south of Harker was abandoned in the mid-50s. So my guess is that the peak popoulation was in the 30s-40s. MB 16:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per MB. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:26, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 04:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 04:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 02:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 02:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per MB. While defunct it does appear to have been a real place and clearly passes WP:GNG Michepman ( talk) 16:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NTEMP. Thanks User:MB for your diligence. Lightburst ( talk) 00:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NGEO, since this article was nominated it has been improved with sources that reflect this. Coolabahapple ( talk) 00:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Tone 08:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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Town does not seem to exist. The provided location covers a farm and a swamp, and no buildings, and I have found no references to the place, it is not in any US Census databases. Article has no content other than describing the town's supposed phyical location. dmartin969 04:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. dmartin969 04:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. dmartin969 04:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 14:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No evidence it's an actual populated place. —Мандичка YO 😜 04:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. FWIW, the USGS calls this place a U6 unincorporated community ( 295336) per map data compilations as of 1976–1981. The coordinates match the GNIS database, but the nominator's assessment of the map view is correct. • Gene93k ( talk) 23:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 23:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete GNIS database cites the USGS topo map Sunniland, which displays Harker in its 1958 map, but WP:NGEO says "This guideline specifically excludes maps and census tables from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject." An Information Circular I can't read all of may suggest it was the name of an oil well. Without substantive coverage or perhaps a historic post office, there is no notability for this as an article and certainly nothing sustaining the negligent production of pages saying "Harker is an unincorporated community". Reywas92 Talk 00:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete We've shown recently articles cited to the GNIS alone do not pass WP:GEOLAND #1, and my online searches only bring up people named Harker in Florida. Fails WP:GEOLAND, WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 02:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, While I would have said Delete based on everything above, from the topo map it looked to me that this was a stop on the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad. Searching on that & Harker led me to this book which said Harker was a community "known for its squash, potatoes, and large tomatoes. It was mostly home to farm workers who road the daily train south to various work sites". According to the index, it looks like there is more on pages not available in the google book snippet. I'm convinced this was an actual populated place at one time. Page 202 of this book says Harker is one of at least 15 communities in a contiguous 40-mile line that are now gone. MB 05:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's in the official US gazetteer from 1992, but I think that's similar or equivalent to the GNIS database as it listed subdivisions as populated places. I've done several very specific newspaper searches and it never gets mentioned. It's on Google Maps, but the two closest buildings to the point have Immokalee city addresses. A historic aerial photo search possibly shows up to two buildings in 1952, but no mention of the buildings on the 1959 topo map. Interestingly the place continues to appear on the 2015 topo map. Do you have any idea what years it would have been populated? SportingFlyer T· C 10:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- There is a page or two on the community in the book. If someone had a hard-copy we would have a lot more info. But the railroad was built circa 1921. It was abandoned in the 80s, but most of it south of Harker was abandoned in the mid-50s. So my guess is that the peak popoulation was in the 30s-40s. MB 16:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per MB. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:26, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 04:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 04:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 02:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c), at 02:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per MB. While defunct it does appear to have been a real place and clearly passes WP:GNG Michepman ( talk) 16:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NTEMP. Thanks User:MB for your diligence. Lightburst ( talk) 00:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NGEO, since this article was nominated it has been improved with sources that reflect this. Coolabahapple ( talk) 00:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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