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The result was delete. Stifle ( talk) 11:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Hardy Wallace
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I don't think this meets WP:GNG or WP:BLP. PepperBeast (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Wine, and California. Shellwood ( talk) 17:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- A quick google news search will show that Wallace easily meets
WP:GNG.
- (refactored) I started this article 12 years ago when Wallace had just won the inaugural version extremely widely covered contest to become a house blogger for a major independent winery. He has since received significant coverage in a number of independent sources for a variety of things, including founding and running "One of California's most influential modern wineries" (per sources, below). A comprehensive coverage of the wine industry would include bios of the most visible and influential winemakers, so having this article does fit our mission here of presenting encyclopedic collection of knowledge. A partial list of some of the more significant sources:
- One of California's most influential modern wineries, Dirty & Rowdy, is ending after 11 years. Article entirely about Wallace in the San Francisco Chronicle, one of the largest 20 or so newspapers in the US and one of the most authoritative in its coverage of the wine industry, describes him as "highly influential".
- Hardy Wallace: Soul of a Winemaker. Profile article entirely about Wallace in the Vallejo Herald, a significant (100 years old, 15,000 circulation) regional daily newspaper.
- Is it Time to Change How We Describe Wine, about 1/3 of this feature article in Wine Enthusiast Magazine (circulation 250,000) is about Wallace
- Honeymoon tester is latest dream job, 1/3 to 1/2 of this article in CNN is about Wallace and the contest he won
- Atlanta blogger wins Murphy-Goode's 'dream job', article in SFGate entirely about Wallace winning the contest
- California wine's new paradigm: Bright, juicy, translucent reds, article in the SF Chronicle, about 1/3 devoted to Wallace's winemaking style
- Top 10 Inspirational Quotes From The World Of Wine, 2 of the 10 quotes Forbes selected are Wallace's
- (refactored) I started this article 12 years ago when Wallace had just won the inaugural version extremely widely covered contest to become a house blogger for a major independent winery. He has since received significant coverage in a number of independent sources for a variety of things, including founding and running "One of California's most influential modern wineries" (per sources, below). A comprehensive coverage of the wine industry would include bios of the most visible and influential winemakers, so having this article does fit our mission here of presenting encyclopedic collection of knowledge. A partial list of some of the more significant sources:
- Comment I'm much less sure than Wikidemon about this. First, we need to get rid of all of the sources that are not only not about him, but do not mention him. Those are the ones number 6, 14 and 15 here. There is the info about this "dream job". The famed "contest" was to become the winery's "lifestyle correspondent" aka blogger/tweeter, for six months. (The SF Chron article at #5 is a paragraph saying that he was #1 in the line to get into the venue.) Then there are articles about him moving on to other jobs, which are pretty puffy, generally based on his "fame" of winning the original contest. The Food Republic article ("9 people...") is a longish single paragraph about his wine (but little about him), and the NapaValley paper ("7 of ...") is a short paragraph (5 sentences) about the wine product. The most extensive article is the SF Chron from September 2021, but that's only one source. He shows up in Google searches, but nothing more impressive than what I see here. His job was as PR person for various concerns, so there are quotes from him about other people's products. I'm leaning toward delete. Lamona ( talk) 01:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- I've been expanding the sections on his wine-making and adding refs from what Wikidemon provided. If the article is more about his wine-making accomplishments and less on the contest, then I go for weak keep. However, I'm not finding anything that I consider to be truly current - he did some podcasts in 2018 and I see that he is scheduled to speak at a 2023 symposium on wines but it doesn't make clear what his current business is. There's a hint in his linkedin profile, but that's not usable as a source. Lamona ( talk) 17:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete on the whole I think we lack any good sources that are both in depth and truly independent. Most of this amounts to local promotional journalism, and not quality coverage. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Johnpacklambert. -- Vaco98 ( talk) 05:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete In the spirit of full disclosure, I lived in the Napa Valley for almost 30 years and know many people in the Napa and Sonoma wine industry. A small percentage of my edits have to do with wine. In my judgment, this person is not a notable winemaker. He won a publicity stunt contest and got paid for a while to do social media promotional activity for a well known winery. Since then, he has connected with various other winemakers and assisted them with their online public relations and social media activities. I do not believe that constitutes notability. The ongoing coverage following the publicity stunt is mostly hyperlocal. Cullen328 ( talk) 07:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - agree with nominator. Weak notability, fails WP:GNG. 2600:4040:100F:9100:D0DF:37B8:3E03:1A9B ( talk) 20:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Stifle ( talk) 11:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Hardy Wallace
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- Hardy Wallace ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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I don't think this meets WP:GNG or WP:BLP. PepperBeast (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Wine, and California. Shellwood ( talk) 17:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- A quick google news search will show that Wallace easily meets
WP:GNG.
- (refactored) I started this article 12 years ago when Wallace had just won the inaugural version extremely widely covered contest to become a house blogger for a major independent winery. He has since received significant coverage in a number of independent sources for a variety of things, including founding and running "One of California's most influential modern wineries" (per sources, below). A comprehensive coverage of the wine industry would include bios of the most visible and influential winemakers, so having this article does fit our mission here of presenting encyclopedic collection of knowledge. A partial list of some of the more significant sources:
- One of California's most influential modern wineries, Dirty & Rowdy, is ending after 11 years. Article entirely about Wallace in the San Francisco Chronicle, one of the largest 20 or so newspapers in the US and one of the most authoritative in its coverage of the wine industry, describes him as "highly influential".
- Hardy Wallace: Soul of a Winemaker. Profile article entirely about Wallace in the Vallejo Herald, a significant (100 years old, 15,000 circulation) regional daily newspaper.
- Is it Time to Change How We Describe Wine, about 1/3 of this feature article in Wine Enthusiast Magazine (circulation 250,000) is about Wallace
- Honeymoon tester is latest dream job, 1/3 to 1/2 of this article in CNN is about Wallace and the contest he won
- Atlanta blogger wins Murphy-Goode's 'dream job', article in SFGate entirely about Wallace winning the contest
- California wine's new paradigm: Bright, juicy, translucent reds, article in the SF Chronicle, about 1/3 devoted to Wallace's winemaking style
- Top 10 Inspirational Quotes From The World Of Wine, 2 of the 10 quotes Forbes selected are Wallace's
- (refactored) I started this article 12 years ago when Wallace had just won the inaugural version extremely widely covered contest to become a house blogger for a major independent winery. He has since received significant coverage in a number of independent sources for a variety of things, including founding and running "One of California's most influential modern wineries" (per sources, below). A comprehensive coverage of the wine industry would include bios of the most visible and influential winemakers, so having this article does fit our mission here of presenting encyclopedic collection of knowledge. A partial list of some of the more significant sources:
- Comment I'm much less sure than Wikidemon about this. First, we need to get rid of all of the sources that are not only not about him, but do not mention him. Those are the ones number 6, 14 and 15 here. There is the info about this "dream job". The famed "contest" was to become the winery's "lifestyle correspondent" aka blogger/tweeter, for six months. (The SF Chron article at #5 is a paragraph saying that he was #1 in the line to get into the venue.) Then there are articles about him moving on to other jobs, which are pretty puffy, generally based on his "fame" of winning the original contest. The Food Republic article ("9 people...") is a longish single paragraph about his wine (but little about him), and the NapaValley paper ("7 of ...") is a short paragraph (5 sentences) about the wine product. The most extensive article is the SF Chron from September 2021, but that's only one source. He shows up in Google searches, but nothing more impressive than what I see here. His job was as PR person for various concerns, so there are quotes from him about other people's products. I'm leaning toward delete. Lamona ( talk) 01:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- I've been expanding the sections on his wine-making and adding refs from what Wikidemon provided. If the article is more about his wine-making accomplishments and less on the contest, then I go for weak keep. However, I'm not finding anything that I consider to be truly current - he did some podcasts in 2018 and I see that he is scheduled to speak at a 2023 symposium on wines but it doesn't make clear what his current business is. There's a hint in his linkedin profile, but that's not usable as a source. Lamona ( talk) 17:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete on the whole I think we lack any good sources that are both in depth and truly independent. Most of this amounts to local promotional journalism, and not quality coverage. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Johnpacklambert. -- Vaco98 ( talk) 05:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete In the spirit of full disclosure, I lived in the Napa Valley for almost 30 years and know many people in the Napa and Sonoma wine industry. A small percentage of my edits have to do with wine. In my judgment, this person is not a notable winemaker. He won a publicity stunt contest and got paid for a while to do social media promotional activity for a well known winery. Since then, he has connected with various other winemakers and assisted them with their online public relations and social media activities. I do not believe that constitutes notability. The ongoing coverage following the publicity stunt is mostly hyperlocal. Cullen328 ( talk) 07:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - agree with nominator. Weak notability, fails WP:GNG. 2600:4040:100F:9100:D0DF:37B8:3E03:1A9B ( talk) 20:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.