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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nom and no "delete" !votes. Randykitty ( talk) 14:50, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Heavily reliant on unreliable sources. What is maybe reliable may just barely get this to scrape by but I'm not 100% sure either way. The Ultimate Guitar review should be good per WP:RSMUSIC (note the UG Staff byline) and the Punknews.org review should be as well. I couldn't tell with Laut.de or Heavy Pop, and the Grim Tower is blatantly a blog (note here where all the music reviews are by the same author). The only other potentially reliable source I've seen is from Mondo Sonoro. Other than that, this is basically all social media posts and the album's liner notes, and based on just the size of the article I suspect there may be some unsourced material in there as well. This could all be a complete nothing and me being overly stringent in applying GNG, but it doesn't hurt to ask for a second opinion just in case. It could just as easily be a late era self-release from a once-prominent act which doesn't necessarily guarantee notability. QuietHere ( talk) 06:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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- Comment Does
[1] from
KRUI-FM tip it over the
WP:NALBUM threshold? (I'm also not sure.)
Jfire (
talk)
03:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hard to say. It's maybe notable as a radio station (I don't know the notability standards for those) but that doesn't necessarily mean notability as a music publication. QuietHere ( talk) 03:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:NALBUM. Sources in the article, except YouTube, are reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP ( talk) 01:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - The article needs cleanup, not deletion. It's a late album by a band whose glory days were then behind them, and it got less notice than its predecessors, so perhaps someone tried to beef up the article with a pile of Twitter feeds. That junk can and should be removed. But there are a few useful reviews, especially from PunkNews and Heavy Pop. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty ( talk) 10:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)- I'm just gonna withdraw this one. There are two keep votes already and I already thought it could be just on the line so I don't see the harm in it staying. Does need cleanup regarding the number of unreliable sources in there but that's another matter. QuietHere ( talk) 14:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nom and no "delete" !votes. Randykitty ( talk) 14:50, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Hard-Off
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Heavily reliant on unreliable sources. What is maybe reliable may just barely get this to scrape by but I'm not 100% sure either way. The Ultimate Guitar review should be good per WP:RSMUSIC (note the UG Staff byline) and the Punknews.org review should be as well. I couldn't tell with Laut.de or Heavy Pop, and the Grim Tower is blatantly a blog (note here where all the music reviews are by the same author). The only other potentially reliable source I've seen is from Mondo Sonoro. Other than that, this is basically all social media posts and the album's liner notes, and based on just the size of the article I suspect there may be some unsourced material in there as well. This could all be a complete nothing and me being overly stringent in applying GNG, but it doesn't hurt to ask for a second opinion just in case. It could just as easily be a late era self-release from a once-prominent act which doesn't necessarily guarantee notability. QuietHere ( talk) 06:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and Pennsylvania. QuietHere ( talk) 06:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Does
[1] from
KRUI-FM tip it over the
WP:NALBUM threshold? (I'm also not sure.)
Jfire (
talk)
03:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hard to say. It's maybe notable as a radio station (I don't know the notability standards for those) but that doesn't necessarily mean notability as a music publication. QuietHere ( talk) 03:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:NALBUM. Sources in the article, except YouTube, are reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP ( talk) 01:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - The article needs cleanup, not deletion. It's a late album by a band whose glory days were then behind them, and it got less notice than its predecessors, so perhaps someone tried to beef up the article with a pile of Twitter feeds. That junk can and should be removed. But there are a few useful reviews, especially from PunkNews and Heavy Pop. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty ( talk) 10:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)- I'm just gonna withdraw this one. There are two keep votes already and I already thought it could be just on the line so I don't see the harm in it staying. Does need cleanup regarding the number of unreliable sources in there but that's another matter. QuietHere ( talk) 14:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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