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The result was delete-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Guy Spence
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I am honestly on the fence about this one. The relevant guideline is WP:NPOL and I do not think being Deputy Lord Mayor of Belfast qualifies as "major politician" (see here), though the mayor probably would.
This is corroborated by the very small amount of press coverage I found, most of it linked to the death threats affair. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON as this is probably only the beginning of his political career. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete Belfast is not the level of city that makes city council members notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Belfast is certainly a significant enough city that it might be possible to source a local councillor over WP:GNG, but it's not in the rarefied class of cities that can actually give their city councillors an automatic WP:NPOL pass just for existing — and the sourcing here, which consists of two news articles and a set of the city council's own primary source meeting minutes, does not get him past GNG. And "Deputy Lord Mayor", in this context, is a ceremonial title which rotates so that everybody on city council gets to hold it for a year, so it doesn't constitute a strong claim of greater notability than the norm for a city councillor. And being the youngest person to hold the office doesn't help, either — if a person isn't satisfying NPOL or GNG, then they don't get a special notability exemption for being younger or older than their colleagues. Also possible/probable WP:COI, as the article was created by a user named "Belfastcc" (i.e. Belfast city council). Bearcat ( talk) 15:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the subject does have source coverage but it's almost entirely in local media - things like [1] [2] [3]. Coverage in wider media is more limited (see e.g. [4]). Belfast is a major city and I wouldn't be surprised if a city councillor could satisfy our notability criteria, but they don't qualify automatically per WP:POLITICIAN and I don't think that coverage in British local press is enough. Hut 8.5 21:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- SNOW Delete with sufficient consensus here, as there's still nothing confidently better for solid independent notability, there's some sources but I'm still not seeing anything solidly better. SwisterTwister talk 06:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Guy Spence
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I am honestly on the fence about this one. The relevant guideline is WP:NPOL and I do not think being Deputy Lord Mayor of Belfast qualifies as "major politician" (see here), though the mayor probably would.
This is corroborated by the very small amount of press coverage I found, most of it linked to the death threats affair. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON as this is probably only the beginning of his political career. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:21, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:21, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Belfast is not the level of city that makes city council members notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Belfast is certainly a significant enough city that it might be possible to source a local councillor over WP:GNG, but it's not in the rarefied class of cities that can actually give their city councillors an automatic WP:NPOL pass just for existing — and the sourcing here, which consists of two news articles and a set of the city council's own primary source meeting minutes, does not get him past GNG. And "Deputy Lord Mayor", in this context, is a ceremonial title which rotates so that everybody on city council gets to hold it for a year, so it doesn't constitute a strong claim of greater notability than the norm for a city councillor. And being the youngest person to hold the office doesn't help, either — if a person isn't satisfying NPOL or GNG, then they don't get a special notability exemption for being younger or older than their colleagues. Also possible/probable WP:COI, as the article was created by a user named "Belfastcc" (i.e. Belfast city council). Bearcat ( talk) 15:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the subject does have source coverage but it's almost entirely in local media - things like [1] [2] [3]. Coverage in wider media is more limited (see e.g. [4]). Belfast is a major city and I wouldn't be surprised if a city councillor could satisfy our notability criteria, but they don't qualify automatically per WP:POLITICIAN and I don't think that coverage in British local press is enough. Hut 8.5 21:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- SNOW Delete with sufficient consensus here, as there's still nothing confidently better for solid independent notability, there's some sources but I'm still not seeing anything solidly better. SwisterTwister talk 06:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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