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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 15:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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Given that this is a dairying region, it seems as likely it was named for the cow. But at any rate, topos show this to be another rail spot, largely ignored for some decades until J. D. Heiskell dropped a big mill at the site. Some topos show a similarly large building, presumably a warehouse. What they don't show is a town: the area is farmland, and while there was a post office here for a while, that doesn't make a settlement. Mangoe ( talk) 15:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete Mass-producer carelessly misrepresented the source: Durham says "locality [p.1493: "A place that has past or present cultural associations."], 9 miles north-northwest of Corcoran along Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railroad...The name is for James Guernsey, who owned land at the place." not that it is a notable community, as is obvious on the maps. Reywas92 Talk 23:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm finding many hits for this as a referenced place name via newspapers.com.
2 deaths "near Guernesey, California,
locality referenced,
locality referenced,
locality referenced,
locality referenced, and there are dozens more. For this and others unincorporated places in the same position it might be better to redirect to the county article or create a "List of unincorporated places" to point towards.
Killiondude (
talk)
00:51, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, it is listed at
Kings_County,_California#Unincorporated_communities and
List of places in California (G).
Reywas92
Talk
01:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- To clarify, you are agreeing that this should redirect?
Killiondude (
talk)
19:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm fine with redirects in the case of most of these places. Reywas92 Talk 23:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- To clarify, you are agreeing that this should redirect?
Killiondude (
talk)
19:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not fine with a redirect. We really have nothing to say about this other than it's a spot on the map; making a list of spots without the only important info (the coords) isn't helping anyone. We do not need to try to intercept every Google search.
Mangoe (
talk)
00:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also the mention in Kings County, California which claims it's an unincorporated community is unsourced, and if there's no reliable source available then it should be removed as unverifiable. Hut 8.5 19:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, it is listed at
Kings_County,_California#Unincorporated_communities and
List of places in California (G).
Reywas92
Talk
01:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. It had a post office. I know that most (all?) editors don't agree with me that having a post office constitutes legal recognition, so please don't let this weak keep prevent deletion or merging. However, Killiondude's newspapers.com references are trivial, so this locale is lacking non-trivial coverage. GBooks indicates that Guernesey did have a library and there was a rail station, Gudde states that it first appeared on a railway map in 1902. I agree that people lived there, I'm just not seeing any form of notability yet. I'd like to see an article about the place, not a bunch of passing, trival references. Cxbrx ( talk) 23:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete How is this any different than every other town in the USA that has both a post office and a train stop? Fails WP:GNG. Tennis Anyone? Talk 16:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V if we want to have an article on a current or former settlement then we need to have a reliable source which says it's a current or former settlement. The GNIS is cited for this but it's not reliable. We can't infer the existence of a settlement from the fact that it had a library, or a station, or that it's mentioned as a place in newspapers - that's original research. Even if it is or was a community where people lived WP:GEOLAND only grants near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, and I don't see any evidence this is or was legally recognised. If it has never been legally recognised then it has to pass the WP:GNG, and it clearly doesn't. Hut 8.5 19:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom and Hut, fails GNG and NGEO. The article does receive some views (~400 over a year prior to AfD), no objection to Redirect if there is a consensus. // Timothy :: talk 15:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 15:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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Given that this is a dairying region, it seems as likely it was named for the cow. But at any rate, topos show this to be another rail spot, largely ignored for some decades until J. D. Heiskell dropped a big mill at the site. Some topos show a similarly large building, presumably a warehouse. What they don't show is a town: the area is farmland, and while there was a post office here for a while, that doesn't make a settlement. Mangoe ( talk) 15:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy delete Mass-producer carelessly misrepresented the source: Durham says "locality [p.1493: "A place that has past or present cultural associations."], 9 miles north-northwest of Corcoran along Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railroad...The name is for James Guernsey, who owned land at the place." not that it is a notable community, as is obvious on the maps. Reywas92 Talk 23:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm finding many hits for this as a referenced place name via newspapers.com.
2 deaths "near Guernesey, California,
locality referenced,
locality referenced,
locality referenced,
locality referenced, and there are dozens more. For this and others unincorporated places in the same position it might be better to redirect to the county article or create a "List of unincorporated places" to point towards.
Killiondude (
talk)
00:51, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, it is listed at
Kings_County,_California#Unincorporated_communities and
List of places in California (G).
Reywas92
Talk
01:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- To clarify, you are agreeing that this should redirect?
Killiondude (
talk)
19:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm fine with redirects in the case of most of these places. Reywas92 Talk 23:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- To clarify, you are agreeing that this should redirect?
Killiondude (
talk)
19:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not fine with a redirect. We really have nothing to say about this other than it's a spot on the map; making a list of spots without the only important info (the coords) isn't helping anyone. We do not need to try to intercept every Google search.
Mangoe (
talk)
00:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also the mention in Kings County, California which claims it's an unincorporated community is unsourced, and if there's no reliable source available then it should be removed as unverifiable. Hut 8.5 19:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, it is listed at
Kings_County,_California#Unincorporated_communities and
List of places in California (G).
Reywas92
Talk
01:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. It had a post office. I know that most (all?) editors don't agree with me that having a post office constitutes legal recognition, so please don't let this weak keep prevent deletion or merging. However, Killiondude's newspapers.com references are trivial, so this locale is lacking non-trivial coverage. GBooks indicates that Guernesey did have a library and there was a rail station, Gudde states that it first appeared on a railway map in 1902. I agree that people lived there, I'm just not seeing any form of notability yet. I'd like to see an article about the place, not a bunch of passing, trival references. Cxbrx ( talk) 23:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete How is this any different than every other town in the USA that has both a post office and a train stop? Fails WP:GNG. Tennis Anyone? Talk 16:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V if we want to have an article on a current or former settlement then we need to have a reliable source which says it's a current or former settlement. The GNIS is cited for this but it's not reliable. We can't infer the existence of a settlement from the fact that it had a library, or a station, or that it's mentioned as a place in newspapers - that's original research. Even if it is or was a community where people lived WP:GEOLAND only grants near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, and I don't see any evidence this is or was legally recognised. If it has never been legally recognised then it has to pass the WP:GNG, and it clearly doesn't. Hut 8.5 19:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom and Hut, fails GNG and NGEO. The article does receive some views (~400 over a year prior to AfD), no objection to Redirect if there is a consensus. // Timothy :: talk 15:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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