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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:00, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro
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Appears to have COI, little significant coverage Gtag10 ( talk) 02:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Business, and Maine. Gtag10 ( talk) 02:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- keep: Significant coverage in The Portland Press-Herald, The Boston Globe, and various other lower-level pieces of coverage. theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/ they) 03:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete - The article relies too heavily on listicles, which don't constitute substantial coverage per
WP:ORGDEPTH. More in-depth, standalone coverage of this restaurant such as the Press-Herald profile mentioned above would make it stronger.
Ibadibam (
talk)
23:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that listicles can't be SIGCOV – if enough of them provide different information, they can be combined to demonstrate notability. Plus, what about all the sources the last AfD found? theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 03:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)- Quoting from the guideline I linked...
Examples of trivial coverage that do not count toward meeting the significant coverage requirement: [...] inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in "best of", "top 100", "fastest growing" or similar lists (If the list itself is notable, such as the Fortune 500 and the Michelin Guide, the inclusion counts like any other reliable source, but it does not exempt the article from the normal value of providing evidence that independent sources discuss the subject.)
- I don't see any lists here that count as significant coverage by that wording. Ibadibam ( talk) 07:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Schwartz, James H. (2016-01-24).
"Dine Out Maine: Green Elephant in Portland. The vegetarian food isn't groundbreaking, but it is mostly satisfying".
Maine Sunday Telegram. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "Green Elephant, a self-styled “vegetarian bistro” in downtown Portland, is a completely different animal. Yes, it’s dynamic and hip, with the electric-green wall behind the bar and a veneer of rough-cut stone blocks dominating the other side of the dining room. But it’s also affordable (most entrees cost $15 or less). And it’s relaxed; an invitation on the restaurant’s website encourages you to come as you are, “with your best formal attire or in your favorite pajamas.” ... Meat-free restaurants may not be for everyone. But Green Elephant comes close. It’s fun, congenial and healthful, an easy place for vegetarians, dedicated carnivores – and the rest of us – to enjoy."
- Kamila, Avery Yale (2022-06-12).
"15 years later, a vegan pioneer still sets the standard. The Green Elephant serves vegan versions of familiar Thai dishes".
Portland Press Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The article notes: "Before chef Dan Sriprasert and his business partner Bob Wongsaichau opened the Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro 15 years ago, they spotted Portland’s demand for more vegetarian restaurants in their tofu sales. ... The Green Elephant wasn’t Portland’s first vegetarian restaurant and it isn’t the city’s only vegetarian restaurant, but its opening did bring something new to town: A vegetarian restaurant with affordable pricing yet worthy of a date night. With its blond wood floors, bauble-covered chandelier and neon green wall, plus its menu of familiar dishes, the restaurant soon attracted lines of diners waiting for a table. Fifteen years later, the demand and the affordable pricing remain. Even now, when prices of food are rising fast, the most expensive menu item costs $18 (Siamese dream curry noodles), and most entrees are priced around $15."
- Forrest, Rachel (2015-10-15).
"Green Elephant serves bevy of vegetarian options".
Foster's Daily Democrat. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "Portland's Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro (they also have Boda in Portland) has opened at PortWalk and every single dish is vegetarian. Many are vegan, as well as gluten-free. ... The space is modern and warm with lots of sleek wood and cool accents, which is what you'd expect in this new section of town. Some call it FauxPo, and I get that. ... There is a full bar at Green Elephant, with some exotic flavors in the drinks, as well as good beer and wine lists. The bartenders on one night seemed a bit frazzled, but on another, more smooth and calm."
- Ricchio, Joe (April 2011).
"Green Elephant". Maine. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "Sister to Portland’s Boda, Green Elephant provides innovative, delicious, and healthy Asian-inspired fare for vegans and omnivores alike. ... Moving into their fourth year of operation as the only fully vegetarian dining option in the greater Portland area, Green Elephant continues to be a destination for those who not only like their vegetables, but like them cooked with some style and international flavor."
- Nangle, Hilary (2012-04-29).
"10 Maine restaurants where vegetarians reign".
The Boston Globe. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "The Asian-inspired fare at Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro (608 Congress St., Portland, 207-347-3111, www .greenelephantmaine.com, $10-$16) has persuaded many carnivores that going veggie does not mean sacrificing flavor. Every menu item, including wine, is labeled as vegan, gluten free, wheat free, and/or organic. Regulars know to begin with the roti canai, an Indian flatbread paired with a curry dip. After that, favorites include char guayteow, Siamese dream curry noodle, citrus spare ribs, and tofu tikka masala. One taste and you’ll see the light. This place is extremely popular, and does not take reservations."
- Kamila, Avery Yale (2020-01-19).
"Vegan Kitchen: Portland's vegan restaurant scene is red-hot".
Portland Press Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The article provides a few sentences of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "They join the state’s reigning vegetarian restaurant queen, the Green Elephant – the full-service, all-vegetarian, mostly vegan, pan-Asian restaurant on Congress Street in the Arts District continues to pack its dining room night after night more than 12 years after opening."
- Schwartz, James H. (2016-01-24).
"Dine Out Maine: Green Elephant in Portland. The vegetarian food isn't groundbreaking, but it is mostly satisfying".
Maine Sunday Telegram. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - coverage located by Cunard demonstrates conclusively the subject meets the subject specific notability guideline NCORP. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 06:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment WP:PRODUCTREV emphasizes the caution we must take in using product reviews to establish notability. (This makes sense, intuitively—any number of local restaurants would otherwise be notable.) In light of this I'd like to see some more as to why these reviews are enough to contribute to WP:NCORP. Observing Cunard's other sources: #1 is a passing mention imv (part of a list of restaurants closing for COVID), #2 fails source independence (heavily based on interviews), #6 is fairly passing as well. The rest are reviews. That said, I don't think the restaurant has had a ceaseless promotional machine, and has received some broader attention than just Portland, so I'm leaning toward keep. Ovinus ( talk) 21:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:00, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro
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Appears to have COI, little significant coverage Gtag10 ( talk) 02:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Business, and Maine. Gtag10 ( talk) 02:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- keep: Significant coverage in The Portland Press-Herald, The Boston Globe, and various other lower-level pieces of coverage. theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/ they) 03:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete - The article relies too heavily on listicles, which don't constitute substantial coverage per
WP:ORGDEPTH. More in-depth, standalone coverage of this restaurant such as the Press-Herald profile mentioned above would make it stronger.
Ibadibam (
talk)
23:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that listicles can't be SIGCOV – if enough of them provide different information, they can be combined to demonstrate notability. Plus, what about all the sources the last AfD found? theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 03:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)- Quoting from the guideline I linked...
Examples of trivial coverage that do not count toward meeting the significant coverage requirement: [...] inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in "best of", "top 100", "fastest growing" or similar lists (If the list itself is notable, such as the Fortune 500 and the Michelin Guide, the inclusion counts like any other reliable source, but it does not exempt the article from the normal value of providing evidence that independent sources discuss the subject.)
- I don't see any lists here that count as significant coverage by that wording. Ibadibam ( talk) 07:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Schwartz, James H. (2016-01-24).
"Dine Out Maine: Green Elephant in Portland. The vegetarian food isn't groundbreaking, but it is mostly satisfying".
Maine Sunday Telegram. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "Green Elephant, a self-styled “vegetarian bistro” in downtown Portland, is a completely different animal. Yes, it’s dynamic and hip, with the electric-green wall behind the bar and a veneer of rough-cut stone blocks dominating the other side of the dining room. But it’s also affordable (most entrees cost $15 or less). And it’s relaxed; an invitation on the restaurant’s website encourages you to come as you are, “with your best formal attire or in your favorite pajamas.” ... Meat-free restaurants may not be for everyone. But Green Elephant comes close. It’s fun, congenial and healthful, an easy place for vegetarians, dedicated carnivores – and the rest of us – to enjoy."
- Kamila, Avery Yale (2022-06-12).
"15 years later, a vegan pioneer still sets the standard. The Green Elephant serves vegan versions of familiar Thai dishes".
Portland Press Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The article notes: "Before chef Dan Sriprasert and his business partner Bob Wongsaichau opened the Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro 15 years ago, they spotted Portland’s demand for more vegetarian restaurants in their tofu sales. ... The Green Elephant wasn’t Portland’s first vegetarian restaurant and it isn’t the city’s only vegetarian restaurant, but its opening did bring something new to town: A vegetarian restaurant with affordable pricing yet worthy of a date night. With its blond wood floors, bauble-covered chandelier and neon green wall, plus its menu of familiar dishes, the restaurant soon attracted lines of diners waiting for a table. Fifteen years later, the demand and the affordable pricing remain. Even now, when prices of food are rising fast, the most expensive menu item costs $18 (Siamese dream curry noodles), and most entrees are priced around $15."
- Forrest, Rachel (2015-10-15).
"Green Elephant serves bevy of vegetarian options".
Foster's Daily Democrat. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "Portland's Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro (they also have Boda in Portland) has opened at PortWalk and every single dish is vegetarian. Many are vegan, as well as gluten-free. ... The space is modern and warm with lots of sleek wood and cool accents, which is what you'd expect in this new section of town. Some call it FauxPo, and I get that. ... There is a full bar at Green Elephant, with some exotic flavors in the drinks, as well as good beer and wine lists. The bartenders on one night seemed a bit frazzled, but on another, more smooth and calm."
- Ricchio, Joe (April 2011).
"Green Elephant". Maine. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "Sister to Portland’s Boda, Green Elephant provides innovative, delicious, and healthy Asian-inspired fare for vegans and omnivores alike. ... Moving into their fourth year of operation as the only fully vegetarian dining option in the greater Portland area, Green Elephant continues to be a destination for those who not only like their vegetables, but like them cooked with some style and international flavor."
- Nangle, Hilary (2012-04-29).
"10 Maine restaurants where vegetarians reign".
The Boston Globe. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The restaurant review notes: "The Asian-inspired fare at Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro (608 Congress St., Portland, 207-347-3111, www .greenelephantmaine.com, $10-$16) has persuaded many carnivores that going veggie does not mean sacrificing flavor. Every menu item, including wine, is labeled as vegan, gluten free, wheat free, and/or organic. Regulars know to begin with the roti canai, an Indian flatbread paired with a curry dip. After that, favorites include char guayteow, Siamese dream curry noodle, citrus spare ribs, and tofu tikka masala. One taste and you’ll see the light. This place is extremely popular, and does not take reservations."
- Kamila, Avery Yale (2020-01-19).
"Vegan Kitchen: Portland's vegan restaurant scene is red-hot".
Portland Press Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
The article provides a few sentences of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "They join the state’s reigning vegetarian restaurant queen, the Green Elephant – the full-service, all-vegetarian, mostly vegan, pan-Asian restaurant on Congress Street in the Arts District continues to pack its dining room night after night more than 12 years after opening."
- Schwartz, James H. (2016-01-24).
"Dine Out Maine: Green Elephant in Portland. The vegetarian food isn't groundbreaking, but it is mostly satisfying".
Maine Sunday Telegram. Archived from
the original on 2022-09-12. Retrieved 2022-09-12.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - coverage located by Cunard demonstrates conclusively the subject meets the subject specific notability guideline NCORP. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 06:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment WP:PRODUCTREV emphasizes the caution we must take in using product reviews to establish notability. (This makes sense, intuitively—any number of local restaurants would otherwise be notable.) In light of this I'd like to see some more as to why these reviews are enough to contribute to WP:NCORP. Observing Cunard's other sources: #1 is a passing mention imv (part of a list of restaurants closing for COVID), #2 fails source independence (heavily based on interviews), #6 is fairly passing as well. The rest are reviews. That said, I don't think the restaurant has had a ceaseless promotional machine, and has received some broader attention than just Portland, so I'm leaning toward keep. Ovinus ( talk) 21:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.