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The result was delete. czar 03:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Green Economy in Kazakhstan
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In general, this kind of article can be expected to be structured similarly to Renewable energy in Afghanistan. It's supposed to be flat, plain, statistics about how much renewable energy a country generates, how much it could generate, and maybe a bit about the organizations that make it all happen.
This page is a substantial distance from seeing it get close to that. No other country page is styled "Green Economy in X," and none go into this level of detail about all the different initiatives a country is taking to support renewable energy. We need some WP:TNT here.
See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazakhstan 2050 Strategy. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Economics-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Keep - having created most of the energy law articles, I have no major problem with this one. It was created by a Peace Corps volunteer - in effect, a fan. I think ordinary editing processes can fix the verbosity. The nomination does not specific that they don't like it, or that it's an essay; please clarify. Bearian ( talk) 02:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)- @
Bearian: To quote
a 2015 article by
Andreas Kolbe,
And this is where Wikipedia comes in: because when a country has a poor human rights record, it hurts investment. Reports appeared in 2012 that the Kazakh government was taking an active interest in Wikipedia, employing PR agencies to massage entries related to the country ( "Kazakhstan: Top-Notch PR Firms Help Brighten Astana's Image", "Tinkering with Wikipedia part of Kazakh government's PR strategy?").
Also, can I introduce you to BenjaminK0, another former Peace Corps volunteer (though in Mongolia this time). This is Ben's first ever edit to Wikipedia.
I can assume good faith, and I often do, but given the Kazakh government long history of using PR firms to spur investment, I am mightily skeptical of anyone who focuses this much on the state of Kazakhstan's economy. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 17:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- @
Bearian: To quote
a 2015 article by
Andreas Kolbe,
- If you have any evidence at all of diffs showing covert or paid editing, please ping me. 18:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bearian (
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contribs)
- @
Bearian: Well, I have a few reasons to be suspect of this user's intent.
They were named in the original COI/N report that got the Signpost piece started. Presumably, it was for edits like this and this.
Second, we already have an article titled Renewable energy in Kazakhstan as well as articles about Kazakhstan's energy, oil and gas basins, nuclear energy, economy, environmental issues and energy policy. What motive would drive a person to create an article titled "Green Economy in Kazakhstan" besides to promote government initiatives (as essentially a WP:POVFORK)?
Finally, I can't see anyone who creates a page like this as doing anything besides using wikipedia for WP:PROMOTION. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 20:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- @
Bearian: Well, I have a few reasons to be suspect of this user's intent.
- If you have any evidence at all of diffs showing covert or paid editing, please ping me. 18:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bearian (
talk •
contribs)
- Delete based on the evidence found of COI, Propaganda, and Spamming. Bearian ( talk) 20:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Promotional article and nothing new had been said here which cannot be covered on main Kazakhstan economy article. Harmanprtjhj ( talk) 11:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. czar 03:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Green Economy in Kazakhstan
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In general, this kind of article can be expected to be structured similarly to Renewable energy in Afghanistan. It's supposed to be flat, plain, statistics about how much renewable energy a country generates, how much it could generate, and maybe a bit about the organizations that make it all happen.
This page is a substantial distance from seeing it get close to that. No other country page is styled "Green Economy in X," and none go into this level of detail about all the different initiatives a country is taking to support renewable energy. We need some WP:TNT here.
See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazakhstan 2050 Strategy. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Economics-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 19:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Keep - having created most of the energy law articles, I have no major problem with this one. It was created by a Peace Corps volunteer - in effect, a fan. I think ordinary editing processes can fix the verbosity. The nomination does not specific that they don't like it, or that it's an essay; please clarify. Bearian ( talk) 02:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)- @
Bearian: To quote
a 2015 article by
Andreas Kolbe,
And this is where Wikipedia comes in: because when a country has a poor human rights record, it hurts investment. Reports appeared in 2012 that the Kazakh government was taking an active interest in Wikipedia, employing PR agencies to massage entries related to the country ( "Kazakhstan: Top-Notch PR Firms Help Brighten Astana's Image", "Tinkering with Wikipedia part of Kazakh government's PR strategy?").
Also, can I introduce you to BenjaminK0, another former Peace Corps volunteer (though in Mongolia this time). This is Ben's first ever edit to Wikipedia.
I can assume good faith, and I often do, but given the Kazakh government long history of using PR firms to spur investment, I am mightily skeptical of anyone who focuses this much on the state of Kazakhstan's economy. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 17:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- @
Bearian: To quote
a 2015 article by
Andreas Kolbe,
- If you have any evidence at all of diffs showing covert or paid editing, please ping me. 18:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bearian (
talk •
contribs)
- @
Bearian: Well, I have a few reasons to be suspect of this user's intent.
They were named in the original COI/N report that got the Signpost piece started. Presumably, it was for edits like this and this.
Second, we already have an article titled Renewable energy in Kazakhstan as well as articles about Kazakhstan's energy, oil and gas basins, nuclear energy, economy, environmental issues and energy policy. What motive would drive a person to create an article titled "Green Economy in Kazakhstan" besides to promote government initiatives (as essentially a WP:POVFORK)?
Finally, I can't see anyone who creates a page like this as doing anything besides using wikipedia for WP:PROMOTION. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 20:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- @
Bearian: Well, I have a few reasons to be suspect of this user's intent.
- If you have any evidence at all of diffs showing covert or paid editing, please ping me. 18:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bearian (
talk •
contribs)
- Delete based on the evidence found of COI, Propaganda, and Spamming. Bearian ( talk) 20:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Promotional article and nothing new had been said here which cannot be covered on main Kazakhstan economy article. Harmanprtjhj ( talk) 11:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.