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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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Nothing to indicate that meets WP:NGEO (as a "populated place without legal recognition that meets GNG"). A quick search returns just this article, trivial mentions (like property listings), and an entry in the townlands.ie database (along with the other 61,000 townlands in the country). At best a merge/redirect to Fermoy would seem appropriate. But, given that there is no content to merge, that would result in a pointless easter egg. (FYI - This article was originally apparently intended as poor attempt at humour. But speedy-declined. Seemingly because the wrong speedy tag was used.) Personally I don't see what value this article does (or could) have to the project. Guliolopez ( talk) 11:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep Townlands do, in fact, pass
WP:NGEO as evidenced by the existence of numerous other articles on other townlands. It's the smallest geographical division, but it's a geographical place nonetheless. Clearly notable.
Smartyllama (
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17:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Hiya. Perhaps I have misread it, but can you help me understand (other than with reference to WP:OSE) how each of Ireland's 61,000 townlands automatically meet NGEO? (Townlands are not legally recognized places, except in their use as census tracts - which NGEO specifically notes are not automatically notable.) If other townland articles exist, then I would imagine it is on the basis of GNG or some other similar notability guideline. In the case of this square kilometer tract, the available sources only confirm its existence - and not its notability. Guliolopez ( talk) 18:23, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete as it doesn't pass WP:GNG. Articles on other townlands don't show notability for this one. SportingFlyer ( talk) 18:50, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think it can exist only for the purpose of taking a census and also have no legal recognition, but if either of these is true, the townland article needs correcting. If they there is not enough verifiable information for an article about Grange West, merge to the relevant parish or to a list. Peter James ( talk) 20:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep These townlands have existed since before the Norman period, well before censuses were even first used in Ireland. (I would say before they were invented, but I understand the Romans may have had made a census.) These areas, (all 60,000) have got legal recognition, generally dating back several hundred years. It is true that they are used as census areas now, but that is not why they were created, nor what they are, so I do think they pass WP:NGEO. Prince of Thieves ( talk) 10:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I do not find this meets the intent of "legal recognition." Being in a govt database does not imply legal recognition. As the WP:NGEO says, "census tracts are usually not considered notable" and that seems to be what these ranges are most analogous. MB 15:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- @ MB: I was being literal, they are defined by and used in British statute law, notably in this and later for example here where the scope of legislation uses them. Prince of Thieves ( talk) 15:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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Nothing to indicate that meets WP:NGEO (as a "populated place without legal recognition that meets GNG"). A quick search returns just this article, trivial mentions (like property listings), and an entry in the townlands.ie database (along with the other 61,000 townlands in the country). At best a merge/redirect to Fermoy would seem appropriate. But, given that there is no content to merge, that would result in a pointless easter egg. (FYI - This article was originally apparently intended as poor attempt at humour. But speedy-declined. Seemingly because the wrong speedy tag was used.) Personally I don't see what value this article does (or could) have to the project. Guliolopez ( talk) 11:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Guliolopez ( talk) 11:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Townlands do, in fact, pass
WP:NGEO as evidenced by the existence of numerous other articles on other townlands. It's the smallest geographical division, but it's a geographical place nonetheless. Clearly notable.
Smartyllama (
talk)
17:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Hiya. Perhaps I have misread it, but can you help me understand (other than with reference to WP:OSE) how each of Ireland's 61,000 townlands automatically meet NGEO? (Townlands are not legally recognized places, except in their use as census tracts - which NGEO specifically notes are not automatically notable.) If other townland articles exist, then I would imagine it is on the basis of GNG or some other similar notability guideline. In the case of this square kilometer tract, the available sources only confirm its existence - and not its notability. Guliolopez ( talk) 18:23, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n( talk page) 13:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n( talk page) 13:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 05:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete as it doesn't pass WP:GNG. Articles on other townlands don't show notability for this one. SportingFlyer ( talk) 18:50, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think it can exist only for the purpose of taking a census and also have no legal recognition, but if either of these is true, the townland article needs correcting. If they there is not enough verifiable information for an article about Grange West, merge to the relevant parish or to a list. Peter James ( talk) 20:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Guliolopez ( talk) 10:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep These townlands have existed since before the Norman period, well before censuses were even first used in Ireland. (I would say before they were invented, but I understand the Romans may have had made a census.) These areas, (all 60,000) have got legal recognition, generally dating back several hundred years. It is true that they are used as census areas now, but that is not why they were created, nor what they are, so I do think they pass WP:NGEO. Prince of Thieves ( talk) 10:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I do not find this meets the intent of "legal recognition." Being in a govt database does not imply legal recognition. As the WP:NGEO says, "census tracts are usually not considered notable" and that seems to be what these ranges are most analogous. MB 15:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- @ MB: I was being literal, they are defined by and used in British statute law, notably in this and later for example here where the scope of legislation uses them. Prince of Thieves ( talk) 15:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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