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The result was merge to Lady Grace Mysteries. Guerillero Parlez Moi 11:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Grace Cavendish
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PRODed on 25 March, as the article does not meet WP:BKD. DePRODed on 28 March with rationale "The character seems to have been discussed in a number of scholarly papers."
Only source cited is a school librarian journal which barely meets WP:SIGCOV if at all (a couple of trivial mentions). WP:BEFORE shows nothing else.
Recommend redirect to Lady Grace Mysteries (which incidentally needs to be trimmed itself). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 21:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Literature, and Popular culture. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 21:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment why bring it to AfD if you're proposing a merge? That's typically discussed on the article's talk page. A quick scan of gscholar shows that the character's been discussed in scholarly works, so PROD is inappropriate, but a merge discussion sounds reasonable. pburka ( talk) 23:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- A redirect, not a merge. WP:ATD-R, but as you contested the PROD, I thought it would be best to bring it to AFD first instead of afterwards. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- If you're again proposing deleting the history, I object, but have no objection to a merge. The character is clearly notable, with coverage in Serial Crime Fiction, School Librarian, and Clues. However it's hard to separate the series from its heroine, so it's not clear to me that we need articles on both. pburka ( talk) 23:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, I'm now slightly confused as to the distinction between the two, so I won't comment further. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 01:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per WP:BLAR, I wasn't suggesting deleting the history. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 01:22, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge is there is anything in the article on the character which is not already present in the article on the series; otherwise redirect: there is no point in having separate articles as the series is about the character, the character exists only in the series. In either case, keep appropriate categories on the redirect so that she as a character appears in appropriate listings. It is not helpful to say "The author of the series is "Grace Cavendish", a pseudonym for three female authors: Patricia Finney, Sara Vogler and Jan Burchett. ", as the three did not write together: each book is either by Finney or by the other two. Pam D 07:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Lady Grace Mysteries. Guerillero Parlez Moi 11:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Grace Cavendish
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PRODed on 25 March, as the article does not meet WP:BKD. DePRODed on 28 March with rationale "The character seems to have been discussed in a number of scholarly papers."
Only source cited is a school librarian journal which barely meets WP:SIGCOV if at all (a couple of trivial mentions). WP:BEFORE shows nothing else.
Recommend redirect to Lady Grace Mysteries (which incidentally needs to be trimmed itself). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 21:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Literature, and Popular culture. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 21:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment why bring it to AfD if you're proposing a merge? That's typically discussed on the article's talk page. A quick scan of gscholar shows that the character's been discussed in scholarly works, so PROD is inappropriate, but a merge discussion sounds reasonable. pburka ( talk) 23:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- A redirect, not a merge. WP:ATD-R, but as you contested the PROD, I thought it would be best to bring it to AFD first instead of afterwards. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- If you're again proposing deleting the history, I object, but have no objection to a merge. The character is clearly notable, with coverage in Serial Crime Fiction, School Librarian, and Clues. However it's hard to separate the series from its heroine, so it's not clear to me that we need articles on both. pburka ( talk) 23:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, I'm now slightly confused as to the distinction between the two, so I won't comment further. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 01:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per WP:BLAR, I wasn't suggesting deleting the history. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 01:22, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge is there is anything in the article on the character which is not already present in the article on the series; otherwise redirect: there is no point in having separate articles as the series is about the character, the character exists only in the series. In either case, keep appropriate categories on the redirect so that she as a character appears in appropriate listings. It is not helpful to say "The author of the series is "Grace Cavendish", a pseudonym for three female authors: Patricia Finney, Sara Vogler and Jan Burchett. ", as the three did not write together: each book is either by Finney or by the other two. Pam D 07:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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