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The result was speedy keep, just like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ditch, (magazine) as bad-faith nomination with no non-sockpuppet delete opinions. DMacks ( talk) 17:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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Subject of the article fails WP:ORG. I can't find any evidence of notability. Riazul Islam BD ( talk) 14:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Riazul Islam BD ( talk) 14:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - this was a well-known literary magazine of its time, and the links in the article include several literary archives which demonstrate this. I've just added one more, the MacOdrum Library at Carleton University, which maintains an archive on the magazine. Given the time that has passed and the fact that grOnk was pre-Web, this sort of Web coverage is good and the most that could be expected. The archive is introduced by a substantial essay on grOnk and its sister publication Ganglia, and it is cited to further sources. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 15:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment - I am the article creator so I will not !VoteKeep (I have been advised that it is acceptable for me to !vote) - grOnk is of historical importance in the history of Canadian literature, especially avant-garde literature - the magazine is archived at the MacOdrum Library at Carleton University and they provide a history of the magazine here. The MacOdrum Library writeup cites "Geoff Hancock, The Form of the Thing: An Interview with bpNichol on Ganglia and grOnk." Rampike, 12.1 (Fall 2001), 33 as a source (not available online - Rampike is published by the University of Windsor) - grOnk has passing mentions in Avant Canada: Poets, Prophets, Revolutionaries, edited by Gregory Betts & Christian Bök (eds), note 21, Wilfrid Laurier University Press, 2019; Encyclopedia of Post-Colonial Literatures in English by Eugene Benson & L.W. Conolly (eds) Routledge, 2005, p. 1100 and Poetic Community: Avant-Garde activism and Cold War Culture by Stephen Voyce, np., University of Toronto Press, Scholarly Publishing Division, 2013. The fact that grOnk is still gaining mention in books are recent as 2019 shows that the magazine has "attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time" ( WP:SUSTAINED) - the magazine was international, as Voyce notes, "GrOnk brought together British, Czech, American, Canadian, French and Austrian concrete and experimental practioners…" - it has "served some sort of historic purpose or have a significant history" per Wikipedia:Notability (media) and, within the Canadian literary community, has had a "significant...effects on culture, society...history, literature...education." ( WP:ORGSIG) - the magazine was edited by bpNichol who won the Governor General's Award, Canada's highest literary award - notability cannot be inherited from association with bpNichol, but I bring it up to show that grOnk wasn't just a bunch of guys in the basement with a mimeograph machine, but involved major Canadian literary figures - sorry to go on at such length, but I truly believe this is an important article for anyone interested in the history of Canadian literature (and not just because I am the creator!) - thanks for listening - Epinoia ( talk) 16:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: Epinoia ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
- Keep Sources here and already in the article establish notability. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Delete for now The coverage references (external links) does not seems sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. — Masum Ibn Musa Conversation 06:33, 25 August 2019 (UTC)Striking comment of CU-blocked sock of nominator DMacks ( talk) 17:17, 25 August 2019 (UTC)- Comment this is clearly a retaliation nomination for having !voted delete for 3 articles created by
User:Masum Ibn Musa. They have done the same thing for one of my creations and another of Epinoia's. I shall be taking this to ANI as clear
WP:MEATPUPPETRY or
WP:SOCKING. The article creator has already had an SPI thrown out in which he accused myself and another delete !voter of being socks. --
Dom from Paris (
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13:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- I would ask Epinoia not to !vote on the deletion discussion that concerns the article created to avoid any accusations of WP:CANVASSING. -- Dom from Paris ( talk) 14:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep, just like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ditch, (magazine) as bad-faith nomination with no non-sockpuppet delete opinions. DMacks ( talk) 17:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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Subject of the article fails WP:ORG. I can't find any evidence of notability. Riazul Islam BD ( talk) 14:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Riazul Islam BD ( talk) 14:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:44, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - this was a well-known literary magazine of its time, and the links in the article include several literary archives which demonstrate this. I've just added one more, the MacOdrum Library at Carleton University, which maintains an archive on the magazine. Given the time that has passed and the fact that grOnk was pre-Web, this sort of Web coverage is good and the most that could be expected. The archive is introduced by a substantial essay on grOnk and its sister publication Ganglia, and it is cited to further sources. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 15:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment - I am the article creator so I will not !VoteKeep (I have been advised that it is acceptable for me to !vote) - grOnk is of historical importance in the history of Canadian literature, especially avant-garde literature - the magazine is archived at the MacOdrum Library at Carleton University and they provide a history of the magazine here. The MacOdrum Library writeup cites "Geoff Hancock, The Form of the Thing: An Interview with bpNichol on Ganglia and grOnk." Rampike, 12.1 (Fall 2001), 33 as a source (not available online - Rampike is published by the University of Windsor) - grOnk has passing mentions in Avant Canada: Poets, Prophets, Revolutionaries, edited by Gregory Betts & Christian Bök (eds), note 21, Wilfrid Laurier University Press, 2019; Encyclopedia of Post-Colonial Literatures in English by Eugene Benson & L.W. Conolly (eds) Routledge, 2005, p. 1100 and Poetic Community: Avant-Garde activism and Cold War Culture by Stephen Voyce, np., University of Toronto Press, Scholarly Publishing Division, 2013. The fact that grOnk is still gaining mention in books are recent as 2019 shows that the magazine has "attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time" ( WP:SUSTAINED) - the magazine was international, as Voyce notes, "GrOnk brought together British, Czech, American, Canadian, French and Austrian concrete and experimental practioners…" - it has "served some sort of historic purpose or have a significant history" per Wikipedia:Notability (media) and, within the Canadian literary community, has had a "significant...effects on culture, society...history, literature...education." ( WP:ORGSIG) - the magazine was edited by bpNichol who won the Governor General's Award, Canada's highest literary award - notability cannot be inherited from association with bpNichol, but I bring it up to show that grOnk wasn't just a bunch of guys in the basement with a mimeograph machine, but involved major Canadian literary figures - sorry to go on at such length, but I truly believe this is an important article for anyone interested in the history of Canadian literature (and not just because I am the creator!) - thanks for listening - Epinoia ( talk) 16:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: Epinoia ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
- Keep Sources here and already in the article establish notability. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Delete for now The coverage references (external links) does not seems sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. — Masum Ibn Musa Conversation 06:33, 25 August 2019 (UTC)Striking comment of CU-blocked sock of nominator DMacks ( talk) 17:17, 25 August 2019 (UTC)- Comment this is clearly a retaliation nomination for having !voted delete for 3 articles created by
User:Masum Ibn Musa. They have done the same thing for one of my creations and another of Epinoia's. I shall be taking this to ANI as clear
WP:MEATPUPPETRY or
WP:SOCKING. The article creator has already had an SPI thrown out in which he accused myself and another delete !voter of being socks. --
Dom from Paris (
talk)
13:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- I would ask Epinoia not to !vote on the deletion discussion that concerns the article created to avoid any accusations of WP:CANVASSING. -- Dom from Paris ( talk) 14:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.