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The result was merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Goro (Mortal Kombat)
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Minor MK character fails WP:SIGCOV. Found only this 2 sources [1] [2], but the latter seems to be a bit trivial and still fails third party sources. GlatorNator ( talk) 23:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Merge To List of Mortal Kombat characters. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, unnecessary split from the parent list and lacks notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 15:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. I also hate to sound repetitive because no doubt he was a badass in the early days of the series, but nowadays he’s fallen through the cracks and the lack of non-listicle reception shows that, as does the Kotaku source (the Polygon one is merely BTS fluff). You can’t really fall farther from grace than a lousy OC killing you in the movie. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 00:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Strong keep: This is the MK character AFD nomination I probably disagree with the most so far, besides Reptile. We have three good sources I've added to Goro recently in the article, regarding his roles in the movies, with critical analyses and background on the character. Also, the document that I recently found from a search that is in a different language, called "Uma análise da indumentária em Mortal Kombat: histórico e evolução" has at least a full page on him. A source like
this might also be of some use. This is not some obscure character that has only been in like two games like Mavado or Darrius, which have next to no coverage that we are talking about here. They are "minor" characters, not Goro. We are talking about a popular character that has been around since day one, so I would be shocked if even more coverage, besides the sources recently uncovered, don't exist. You can argue the split was "unnecessary," but I can just as well that merging it is completely unnecessary. In fact, it's not even a "split" at all, because checking the history, it was never merged into the list of MK characters articles at all.
MoonJet (
talk)
04:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- The "good sources" you added are trivial; two users above also said it. Also, the rest of your argument falls into
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
GlatorNator (
talk)
11:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- How are these sources I've added to the article and on here "trivial?" They are critical and important analyses on his roles in the films. Anything but trivial. My other arguments are not WP:OTHERSTUFF, because Mavado and Darrius do not have they're own articles, nor have they ever had one in the past 15+ years. I'm merely pointing out that they are much less likely to get coverage than someone like Goro. I was also merely correctly someone that the article was split off when it never was. Not that it's part of my argument for keeping the article. MoonJet ( talk) 23:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm actually somewhat surprised Goro was never merged at all, but my point stands, article age is not exactly a rationale. He has never stood on his own as a notable article and throwing out trivial coverage will not change that. Demonstrate numerous pieces of significant coverage.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
12:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Alright. Here's some I've uncovered so far:
- The document "Uma análise da indumentária em Mortal Kombat: histórico e evolução" has a full page on him.
- Critical analyses on his role in the 2021 film
- More critical analyses, plus his background in that same film
- Some analyses on him in the 1995 film
- While this one is not really critical analyses, it may also be used
- If I find more, I'll be sure to provide them.
MoonJet (
talk)
23:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- You just showed the same sources what we already saw at the article.
GlatorNator (
talk)
01:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know, but I'm putting them here for reference of what sources I'm talking about.
MoonJet (
talk)
04:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- The second link has no "critical analyses" at all and is just a promotional piece about filming the character, while the status of Goro's animatronic head is more trivia than usable content.
- Heck, there's more in-depth material about the movie versions of Goro than the game versions, which doesn't bode well for keeping the article.
sixtynine
• whaddya want? •
06:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- That is true, at least from the sources I've seen so far. However, that doesn't matter. "In-depth material" is in-depth material, whether pertains to Goro from the games or the movies. The article is about Goro as a character. Not just a video game character, but a multi-media character. If anything, his role in the movies should help his notability, since it shows he has more importance outside just the games. MoonJet ( talk) 14:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- @
Beemer69: The information may be trivial, but it is still significant coverage.
QuicoleJR (
talk)
21:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- An MK fan collecting an MK movie prop and housing it in the the MK franchise headquarters doesn't constitute significant coverage of the character. That is indeed the definition of trivial, so you're basically contradicting yourself here. If the collector and/or location were more notable, then yes. Years ago I put in the Ermac article that his Annihilation costume was sold at auction, then later had to remove it because it was deemed trivial. The same applies in this instance even if you replaced Goro with a higher-profile character like Sub-Zero or Scorpion. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 22:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know, but I'm putting them here for reference of what sources I'm talking about.
MoonJet (
talk)
04:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- You just showed the same sources what we already saw at the article.
GlatorNator (
talk)
01:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- The "good sources" you added are trivial; two users above also said it. Also, the rest of your argument falls into
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
GlatorNator (
talk)
11:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Too much trivial information to warrant his own article. Hansen Sebastian Talk 17:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters per above. // Timothy :: talk 11:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep The sources are more than enough to establish notability. Plenty of significant coverage provided above and in the article.
QuicoleJR (
talk)
21:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- If the information are trivial, it doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV GlatorNator ( talk) 22:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Did a pretty damn thorough search for sources establishing notability, and nada. Merge. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 02:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Goro (Mortal Kombat)
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- Goro (Mortal Kombat) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | [ since nomination])
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Minor MK character fails WP:SIGCOV. Found only this 2 sources [1] [2], but the latter seems to be a bit trivial and still fails third party sources. GlatorNator ( talk) 23:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. GlatorNator ( talk) 23:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. GlatorNator ( talk) 23:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Merge To List of Mortal Kombat characters. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, unnecessary split from the parent list and lacks notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 15:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. I also hate to sound repetitive because no doubt he was a badass in the early days of the series, but nowadays he’s fallen through the cracks and the lack of non-listicle reception shows that, as does the Kotaku source (the Polygon one is merely BTS fluff). You can’t really fall farther from grace than a lousy OC killing you in the movie. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 00:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Strong keep: This is the MK character AFD nomination I probably disagree with the most so far, besides Reptile. We have three good sources I've added to Goro recently in the article, regarding his roles in the movies, with critical analyses and background on the character. Also, the document that I recently found from a search that is in a different language, called "Uma análise da indumentária em Mortal Kombat: histórico e evolução" has at least a full page on him. A source like
this might also be of some use. This is not some obscure character that has only been in like two games like Mavado or Darrius, which have next to no coverage that we are talking about here. They are "minor" characters, not Goro. We are talking about a popular character that has been around since day one, so I would be shocked if even more coverage, besides the sources recently uncovered, don't exist. You can argue the split was "unnecessary," but I can just as well that merging it is completely unnecessary. In fact, it's not even a "split" at all, because checking the history, it was never merged into the list of MK characters articles at all.
MoonJet (
talk)
04:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- The "good sources" you added are trivial; two users above also said it. Also, the rest of your argument falls into
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
GlatorNator (
talk)
11:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- How are these sources I've added to the article and on here "trivial?" They are critical and important analyses on his roles in the films. Anything but trivial. My other arguments are not WP:OTHERSTUFF, because Mavado and Darrius do not have they're own articles, nor have they ever had one in the past 15+ years. I'm merely pointing out that they are much less likely to get coverage than someone like Goro. I was also merely correctly someone that the article was split off when it never was. Not that it's part of my argument for keeping the article. MoonJet ( talk) 23:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm actually somewhat surprised Goro was never merged at all, but my point stands, article age is not exactly a rationale. He has never stood on his own as a notable article and throwing out trivial coverage will not change that. Demonstrate numerous pieces of significant coverage.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
12:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Alright. Here's some I've uncovered so far:
- The document "Uma análise da indumentária em Mortal Kombat: histórico e evolução" has a full page on him.
- Critical analyses on his role in the 2021 film
- More critical analyses, plus his background in that same film
- Some analyses on him in the 1995 film
- While this one is not really critical analyses, it may also be used
- If I find more, I'll be sure to provide them.
MoonJet (
talk)
23:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- You just showed the same sources what we already saw at the article.
GlatorNator (
talk)
01:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know, but I'm putting them here for reference of what sources I'm talking about.
MoonJet (
talk)
04:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- The second link has no "critical analyses" at all and is just a promotional piece about filming the character, while the status of Goro's animatronic head is more trivia than usable content.
- Heck, there's more in-depth material about the movie versions of Goro than the game versions, which doesn't bode well for keeping the article.
sixtynine
• whaddya want? •
06:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- That is true, at least from the sources I've seen so far. However, that doesn't matter. "In-depth material" is in-depth material, whether pertains to Goro from the games or the movies. The article is about Goro as a character. Not just a video game character, but a multi-media character. If anything, his role in the movies should help his notability, since it shows he has more importance outside just the games. MoonJet ( talk) 14:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- @
Beemer69: The information may be trivial, but it is still significant coverage.
QuicoleJR (
talk)
21:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- An MK fan collecting an MK movie prop and housing it in the the MK franchise headquarters doesn't constitute significant coverage of the character. That is indeed the definition of trivial, so you're basically contradicting yourself here. If the collector and/or location were more notable, then yes. Years ago I put in the Ermac article that his Annihilation costume was sold at auction, then later had to remove it because it was deemed trivial. The same applies in this instance even if you replaced Goro with a higher-profile character like Sub-Zero or Scorpion. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 22:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know, but I'm putting them here for reference of what sources I'm talking about.
MoonJet (
talk)
04:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- You just showed the same sources what we already saw at the article.
GlatorNator (
talk)
01:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- The "good sources" you added are trivial; two users above also said it. Also, the rest of your argument falls into
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
GlatorNator (
talk)
11:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Too much trivial information to warrant his own article. Hansen Sebastian Talk 17:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters per above. // Timothy :: talk 11:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep The sources are more than enough to establish notability. Plenty of significant coverage provided above and in the article.
QuicoleJR (
talk)
21:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- If the information are trivial, it doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV GlatorNator ( talk) 22:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Did a pretty damn thorough search for sources establishing notability, and nada. Merge. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 02:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.