- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. When more weight is given to the views that rely on P&G, consensus leans towards Delete, even when ignoring the fact that the current article is tainted by its COI author. However, due to the rapid flow of news about this evolving company, notability can be tested again with a newly-written article in three months. Owen× ☎ 00:56, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
GoTo (Israeli company)
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Unremarkable car hire business. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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- TheLongTone. Why would this company be unremarkable? Did you note that there are many RS in the references? gidonb ( talk) 04:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. "Notable" does not mean "Remarkable". The citations seem to indicate significant coverage by major reliable sources at a national scope over a significant duration of time, and it is a publicly traded company which is very likely to be notable, per WP:LISTED. Marokwitz ( talk) 21:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't understand the point behind this nomination. Raymond3023 ( talk) 08:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep by NCORP and as a "remarkable" car hire business. gidonb ( talk) 09:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails NCORP:
An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.
Take out the primary sources and the listings and you're left with a few secondary sources, some of which are trivial mentions that seem to be little more than regurgitated press releases. Oh look, smiling people holding social media hashtag signs in front of their product... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC) - Keep – Yeah, a creative marketing effort, but sources are there. TLA (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- keep The article was written by me. This is an article about an important public company traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. I have written other articles about companies as well Three were draftified -
Draft:D-ID (company) -
Draft:Perplexity.ai -
Draft:Holmes Place - and now we're discussing the deletion of this one. I understand there may be concerns that I have a motive to promote certain companies. However I am contributing in good faith as an educator simply seeking to share knowledge on new technologies in my spare time. My goal is to continue writing more articles for Wikipedia when I can. I hope that through my sustained contributions it will become evident that my intentions are positive. to add value to this collaborative resource. Please know I aim to follow Wikipedia's guidelines and improve as a contributor. I believe this article and others I write have a place here.
Galamore (
talk)
09:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- The article does not look overly promotional in my view. In general, publicly traded companies are very likely to be notable per WP:LIST. Specifically I think that Holmes Place Group is a notable company (publicly traded, international business, 40+ year history), but you should remove the citations to youtube , instagram and the company website, and add citations for additional WP:RS that cover the company history in depth such as [1]. I'm also pinging @ Ratnahastin: to add their thoughts. Marokwitz ( talk) 09:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note that Galamore's post here seems to have been written by a large language model.
jp×
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03:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- How can you tell? Marokwitz ( talk) 09:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Spam article about a non-notable company written by an undisclosed paid editor. The coverage seems to consist of passing mentions in
WP:MILL sources.
jp×
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03:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: After reviewing this user's contributions I have blocked them as an undisclosed paid editor. jp× g 🗯️ 04:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the article is written in a highly promotional manner, and is based on the sourcing that looks like a lot of regurgitated press releases. If decent sourcing can be found, I guess this could be re-written from scratch, but as it stands notability has not been established and WP:TNT would apply. Girth Summit (blether) 11:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per TLA. Eladkarmel ( talk) 19:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious ( talk) 15:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Marokwitz, TLA and others. S5A-0043 Talk 01:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Most of the sources are in a language I don't speak, but they're clearly either based on company PR or routine finance coverage. Googling for sources hampered by a German company which also used to be known by the same name. Every revision of the article tainted by COI. Stuartyeates ( talk) 20:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability and the sources I can find all rely on company PR. HighKing ++ 21:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A company listed on a national stock exchange will have sufficient sourcing, which this article seems to have. Per WP:LISTED, "However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Putting the NYSE and the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange in the same class is somewhat of a stretch, I think. NYSE is two orders of magnitude larger. Stuartyeates ( talk) 04:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources do you see as meeting GNG/ WP:NCORP?
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 20:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete UPE promotional garbage. The only source that might have any possibility of meeting NCORP (source 5) provides a 403 Forbidden error.
Jumpytoo
Talk
21:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Source 5 is working for me, [2] . I disagree with your assessment, the Hebrew sources meet WP:SIGCOV Marokwitz ( talk) 10:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Which Hebrew sources? Also, the TechCrunch reference relies *entirely* on information provided by the company - here's another source dated the same day which uses the same info. Fails ORGIND. HighKing ++ 16:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I made a typo, I meant source 7 was the one I could not access
Jumpytoo
Talk
20:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Source 7 works, it is an article on one of Israel's top financial newspapers TheMarker with the following subtitle (AI translated): "Car to Go is a thriving business that lives on public funds, despite its efficiency being in great doubt for many years. After establishing the car-sharing project, the three founders encountered difficulties. To cope with the mounting debts, a new CEO was brought in who proposed an idea: instead of financing operational costs, connect to government and local authority budgets." Marokwitz ( talk) 06:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Promotional; no sourcing for notability. Llajwa ( talk) 22:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm afraid the editor does themselves no favors. Delete the page, let the dust settle and if in the future, someone else wants to create the page, go for it. MaskedSinger ( talk) 13:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. When more weight is given to the views that rely on P&G, consensus leans towards Delete, even when ignoring the fact that the current article is tainted by its COI author. However, due to the rapid flow of news about this evolving company, notability can be tested again with a newly-written article in three months. Owen× ☎ 00:56, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
GoTo (Israeli company)
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Unremarkable car hire business. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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- TheLongTone. Why would this company be unremarkable? Did you note that there are many RS in the references? gidonb ( talk) 04:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. "Notable" does not mean "Remarkable". The citations seem to indicate significant coverage by major reliable sources at a national scope over a significant duration of time, and it is a publicly traded company which is very likely to be notable, per WP:LISTED. Marokwitz ( talk) 21:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't understand the point behind this nomination. Raymond3023 ( talk) 08:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep by NCORP and as a "remarkable" car hire business. gidonb ( talk) 09:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails NCORP:
An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.
Take out the primary sources and the listings and you're left with a few secondary sources, some of which are trivial mentions that seem to be little more than regurgitated press releases. Oh look, smiling people holding social media hashtag signs in front of their product... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC) - Keep – Yeah, a creative marketing effort, but sources are there. TLA (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- keep The article was written by me. This is an article about an important public company traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. I have written other articles about companies as well Three were draftified -
Draft:D-ID (company) -
Draft:Perplexity.ai -
Draft:Holmes Place - and now we're discussing the deletion of this one. I understand there may be concerns that I have a motive to promote certain companies. However I am contributing in good faith as an educator simply seeking to share knowledge on new technologies in my spare time. My goal is to continue writing more articles for Wikipedia when I can. I hope that through my sustained contributions it will become evident that my intentions are positive. to add value to this collaborative resource. Please know I aim to follow Wikipedia's guidelines and improve as a contributor. I believe this article and others I write have a place here.
Galamore (
talk)
09:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- The article does not look overly promotional in my view. In general, publicly traded companies are very likely to be notable per WP:LIST. Specifically I think that Holmes Place Group is a notable company (publicly traded, international business, 40+ year history), but you should remove the citations to youtube , instagram and the company website, and add citations for additional WP:RS that cover the company history in depth such as [1]. I'm also pinging @ Ratnahastin: to add their thoughts. Marokwitz ( talk) 09:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note that Galamore's post here seems to have been written by a large language model.
jp×
g
🗯️
03:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- How can you tell? Marokwitz ( talk) 09:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Spam article about a non-notable company written by an undisclosed paid editor. The coverage seems to consist of passing mentions in
WP:MILL sources.
jp×
g
🗯️
03:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: After reviewing this user's contributions I have blocked them as an undisclosed paid editor. jp× g 🗯️ 04:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the article is written in a highly promotional manner, and is based on the sourcing that looks like a lot of regurgitated press releases. If decent sourcing can be found, I guess this could be re-written from scratch, but as it stands notability has not been established and WP:TNT would apply. Girth Summit (blether) 11:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per TLA. Eladkarmel ( talk) 19:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious ( talk) 15:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Marokwitz, TLA and others. S5A-0043 Talk 01:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Most of the sources are in a language I don't speak, but they're clearly either based on company PR or routine finance coverage. Googling for sources hampered by a German company which also used to be known by the same name. Every revision of the article tainted by COI. Stuartyeates ( talk) 20:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability and the sources I can find all rely on company PR. HighKing ++ 21:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A company listed on a national stock exchange will have sufficient sourcing, which this article seems to have. Per WP:LISTED, "However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Putting the NYSE and the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange in the same class is somewhat of a stretch, I think. NYSE is two orders of magnitude larger. Stuartyeates ( talk) 04:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources do you see as meeting GNG/ WP:NCORP?
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 20:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete UPE promotional garbage. The only source that might have any possibility of meeting NCORP (source 5) provides a 403 Forbidden error.
Jumpytoo
Talk
21:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Source 5 is working for me, [2] . I disagree with your assessment, the Hebrew sources meet WP:SIGCOV Marokwitz ( talk) 10:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Which Hebrew sources? Also, the TechCrunch reference relies *entirely* on information provided by the company - here's another source dated the same day which uses the same info. Fails ORGIND. HighKing ++ 16:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I made a typo, I meant source 7 was the one I could not access
Jumpytoo
Talk
20:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Source 7 works, it is an article on one of Israel's top financial newspapers TheMarker with the following subtitle (AI translated): "Car to Go is a thriving business that lives on public funds, despite its efficiency being in great doubt for many years. After establishing the car-sharing project, the three founders encountered difficulties. To cope with the mounting debts, a new CEO was brought in who proposed an idea: instead of financing operational costs, connect to government and local authority budgets." Marokwitz ( talk) 06:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Promotional; no sourcing for notability. Llajwa ( talk) 22:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm afraid the editor does themselves no favors. Delete the page, let the dust settle and if in the future, someone else wants to create the page, go for it. MaskedSinger ( talk) 13:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.