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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 11:35, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Giovanni Liccio
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Another highly dubious article, same problems as with Gregorio Celli. Unsubstantiated and unsourced claims of sainthood and extreme longevity, the sources in the article certainly aren't of the caliber to support even what they purport to. Someone might want to take a look at the images in both articles too. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 16:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete lacks well backed claims. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Surely the salient information is that he has been beatified by the Roman Catholic Church? Whether the claims about him are true or not, that certainly makes him notable. And there seem to be plenty of sources online that confirm this. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep Yes, saints' lives are often rather unbelievable, like biblical figures (eg Methuselah) and legendary figures (eg King Arthur), which doesn't mean that they are not notable. In this case, like Gregorio Celli, the WP:NCATHOLIC notability guide or essay on notability seems the most useful - it says, "an individual will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they: #3 Are in the process of possible canonization and are recognized by the titles "Venerable" and/or "Blessed"." Giovanni Liccio was beatified "Blessed", and there are sources eg Butler's Lives of the Saints, Volume 11 [1]. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 10:06, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per above; meets
WP:NCATHOLIC. I'm guessing the DOB is wrong: in his
entry in
Butler's Lives of the Saints, it just says he was born in the first half of the century.
Catrìona (
talk)
10:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- That would explain the ridiculous age. I can't open the link now, but if no one has I'll make whatever adjustments are necessary to his purported age. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 14:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as a beatifed saint passes WP:NCATHOLIC Atlantic306 ( talk) 14:42, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep -- Beatification implies notability. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:08, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 11:35, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Giovanni Liccio
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Another highly dubious article, same problems as with Gregorio Celli. Unsubstantiated and unsourced claims of sainthood and extreme longevity, the sources in the article certainly aren't of the caliber to support even what they purport to. Someone might want to take a look at the images in both articles too. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 16:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:22, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear ( talk) 10:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear ( talk) 10:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Delete lacks well backed claims. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Surely the salient information is that he has been beatified by the Roman Catholic Church? Whether the claims about him are true or not, that certainly makes him notable. And there seem to be plenty of sources online that confirm this. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Yes, saints' lives are often rather unbelievable, like biblical figures (eg Methuselah) and legendary figures (eg King Arthur), which doesn't mean that they are not notable. In this case, like Gregorio Celli, the WP:NCATHOLIC notability guide or essay on notability seems the most useful - it says, "an individual will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they: #3 Are in the process of possible canonization and are recognized by the titles "Venerable" and/or "Blessed"." Giovanni Liccio was beatified "Blessed", and there are sources eg Butler's Lives of the Saints, Volume 11 [1]. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 10:06, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per above; meets
WP:NCATHOLIC. I'm guessing the DOB is wrong: in his
entry in
Butler's Lives of the Saints, it just says he was born in the first half of the century.
Catrìona (
talk)
10:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- That would explain the ridiculous age. I can't open the link now, but if no one has I'll make whatever adjustments are necessary to his purported age. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 14:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as a beatifed saint passes WP:NCATHOLIC Atlantic306 ( talk) 14:42, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep -- Beatification implies notability. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:08, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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