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The result was keep. Michig ( talk) 05:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Giannis Bezos
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Sourcing doesn't seem improved compared to the previous AfD. wumbolo ^^^ 14:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Oppose he is one of the best-known Greek actors. His IMDB page alone should be enough "sourcing" per WP:ENTERTAINER. Constantine ✍ 20:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- If his theatre appearances were notable, they would be mentioned in the articles about the plays. wumbolo ^^^ 20:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- What? Theatre has nothing to do with IMDB, and his IMDB record is clearly indicative of a long career in TV and movies in Greece, which, again, per WP:ENTERTAINER constitutes evidence of "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Furthermore, your argument on the plays is highly fallacious; there is no guarantee that a WP article on any one play already lists every notable performance by an actor, and vice versa that anyone not listed there is not notable, especially since due to WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, non-anglosphere artists are usually ignored. Constantine ✍ 13:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Giannis Bezos (in Greek: Γιάννης Μπέζος) is "one of the best-known Greek actors" as
Constantine wrote above. He is mentioned, or appears as a guest in many mainstream Greek media of all types: print, digital, broadcast, and even social. Examples:
[1] @
Proto Thema,
[2] @
Athens Voice,
[3] @ Greek
Marie Claire,
[4] @
CNN-Greece,
[5] @
To Vima,
[6] @
ERT (Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation) with videos of TV shows with Bezos as guest of honor, and many many more … . ——
Chalk19 (
talk) 12:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Interviews, the actual content of interviews usually can't count toward significant coverage of the subject. wumbolo ^^^ 12:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per the evidence of notabilty furnished by
Chalk19. However, it should be crystal clear that an IMDb page is not evidence of notability. Actor profiles on IMDb are user edited and are not reliable sources.
Cullen328
Let's discuss it 06:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- @
Cullen328: Which of the articles provided by Chalk19 would you say is evidence of notability?
wumbolo
^^^ 09:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- The entire group of them, taken as a whole. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- @
Cullen328: Which of the articles provided by Chalk19 would you say is evidence of notability?
wumbolo
^^^ 09:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Chalk19. The article needs a Greek speaker to be able to evaluate the sources and cite them in the article, but that's not a reason to delete it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Chalk19 and Cullen328. James500 ( talk) 09:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep As per the sources published above by Chalk19. Kpg jhp jm 12:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. NONE of the sources provided by Chalk19 provide any coverage of the subject outside of interviews and press releases. Note to closer. All keep votes based on them can be discounted. wumbolo ^^^ 12:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, but can we please add some of these new sources to the article? Brad v 21:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Michig ( talk) 05:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Giannis Bezos
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Sourcing doesn't seem improved compared to the previous AfD. wumbolo ^^^ 14:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Oppose he is one of the best-known Greek actors. His IMDB page alone should be enough "sourcing" per WP:ENTERTAINER. Constantine ✍ 20:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- If his theatre appearances were notable, they would be mentioned in the articles about the plays. wumbolo ^^^ 20:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- What? Theatre has nothing to do with IMDB, and his IMDB record is clearly indicative of a long career in TV and movies in Greece, which, again, per WP:ENTERTAINER constitutes evidence of "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Furthermore, your argument on the plays is highly fallacious; there is no guarantee that a WP article on any one play already lists every notable performance by an actor, and vice versa that anyone not listed there is not notable, especially since due to WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, non-anglosphere artists are usually ignored. Constantine ✍ 13:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Giannis Bezos (in Greek: Γιάννης Μπέζος) is "one of the best-known Greek actors" as
Constantine wrote above. He is mentioned, or appears as a guest in many mainstream Greek media of all types: print, digital, broadcast, and even social. Examples:
[1] @
Proto Thema,
[2] @
Athens Voice,
[3] @ Greek
Marie Claire,
[4] @
CNN-Greece,
[5] @
To Vima,
[6] @
ERT (Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation) with videos of TV shows with Bezos as guest of honor, and many many more … . ——
Chalk19 (
talk) 12:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Interviews, the actual content of interviews usually can't count toward significant coverage of the subject. wumbolo ^^^ 12:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per the evidence of notabilty furnished by
Chalk19. However, it should be crystal clear that an IMDb page is not evidence of notability. Actor profiles on IMDb are user edited and are not reliable sources.
Cullen328
Let's discuss it 06:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- @
Cullen328: Which of the articles provided by Chalk19 would you say is evidence of notability?
wumbolo
^^^ 09:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- The entire group of them, taken as a whole. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- @
Cullen328: Which of the articles provided by Chalk19 would you say is evidence of notability?
wumbolo
^^^ 09:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Chalk19. The article needs a Greek speaker to be able to evaluate the sources and cite them in the article, but that's not a reason to delete it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Chalk19 and Cullen328. James500 ( talk) 09:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KCVelaga ( talk) 02:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KCVelaga ( talk) 02:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep As per the sources published above by Chalk19. Kpg jhp jm 12:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. NONE of the sources provided by Chalk19 provide any coverage of the subject outside of interviews and press releases. Note to closer. All keep votes based on them can be discounted. wumbolo ^^^ 12:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, but can we please add some of these new sources to the article? Brad v 21:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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