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The result was redirect to White stag. This is a weird one. It looks like the existing article is about a mythical creature for which we cannot establish WP:N or even WP:V, but the same name can also refer to something else, which is notable. So, redirecting to the notable thing. The article history will still be intact, so if somebody wants to mine that for mergeable material, they can do that. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Ghost deer
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Does not meet WP:Notability. Seems to be an urban legend among local hunters. Dlthewave ( talk) 20:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. While this may be a myth or legend, it has been covered in a variety of sources. http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Tracking-the-legendary-Ghost-Deer-of-Northern-2549732.php However, it may not be a legend: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/the-private-life-of-deer-video-the-ghost-deer/8308/ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=16JUs03bBKwC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=%22Ghost+deer%22+california&source=bl&ots=uG1OGu-fQX&sig=ChSbk5I0yxX4vYJok0a3OK7viNY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX-_TRxNLVAhVJIcAKHe9qAJo4ChDoAQhJMAc#v=onepage&q=%22Ghost%20deer%22%20california&f=false It does appear that research needs to be done and the page needs to be improved, but it shouldn't be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross-c ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Ok, we're looking at two separate topics here:
- - A specific mythical deer in California that is impervious to bullets and disappears without a trace. Current topic of the article, very minimal coverage.
- - A term for (real) albino deer, which sometimes have legends of ghostly origin. Covered by the overwhelming majority of sources. White stag discusses the mythology.
- We could probably write more about albino deer mythology, but "ghost deer" seems to be more of a popular catchall term and not an appropriate name for the topic.
Dlthewave (
talk) 21:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - yes, more research needs to be done. The term 'ghost deer' refers to more than one thing. But, deleting the article doesn't
address that issue, it just avoids it. Ross-c ( talk) 18:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep coverage exists in reliable sources, as demonstrated by User:Ross-c. CJK09 ( talk) 23:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. There are one excellent source for the cryptid topic the instant article is about (the SF Gate piece), one source which talks about real amelanistic or leucistic deer (the PBS video), and one weird source about Virginia Dare supposedly being turned into a white deer by magic (the book). I suppose it would be possible to construct an article syncretizing these disparate sources, but that is not the article under consideration. I also did not find any other sources covering the cryptid ghost deer that were reliable, just a bunch of cryptid message boards and the like. — GrammarFascist contribs talk 03:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since the coverage mentioned is about two different subjects, further discussion should focus on which subject this article should cover and which is actually notable. If the specific Californian dear is not, this might be a valid redirect to white stag per WP:ATD-R
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 15:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Since the coverage mentioned is about two different subjects, further discussion should focus on which subject this article should cover and which is actually notable. If the specific Californian dear is not, this might be a valid redirect to white stag per WP:ATD-R
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 15:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - There are some ghits for "ghost deer," but there's not enough about this ghost deer to satisfy WP:GNG. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:10, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to White stag and locate any mergeable material there. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 18:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to White stag. This is a weird one. It looks like the existing article is about a mythical creature for which we cannot establish WP:N or even WP:V, but the same name can also refer to something else, which is notable. So, redirecting to the notable thing. The article history will still be intact, so if somebody wants to mine that for mergeable material, they can do that. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Ghost deer
- Ghost deer ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Does not meet WP:Notability. Seems to be an urban legend among local hunters. Dlthewave ( talk) 20:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. While this may be a myth or legend, it has been covered in a variety of sources. http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Tracking-the-legendary-Ghost-Deer-of-Northern-2549732.php However, it may not be a legend: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/the-private-life-of-deer-video-the-ghost-deer/8308/ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=16JUs03bBKwC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=%22Ghost+deer%22+california&source=bl&ots=uG1OGu-fQX&sig=ChSbk5I0yxX4vYJok0a3OK7viNY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX-_TRxNLVAhVJIcAKHe9qAJo4ChDoAQhJMAc#v=onepage&q=%22Ghost%20deer%22%20california&f=false It does appear that research needs to be done and the page needs to be improved, but it shouldn't be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross-c ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Ok, we're looking at two separate topics here:
- - A specific mythical deer in California that is impervious to bullets and disappears without a trace. Current topic of the article, very minimal coverage.
- - A term for (real) albino deer, which sometimes have legends of ghostly origin. Covered by the overwhelming majority of sources. White stag discusses the mythology.
- We could probably write more about albino deer mythology, but "ghost deer" seems to be more of a popular catchall term and not an appropriate name for the topic.
Dlthewave (
talk) 21:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - yes, more research needs to be done. The term 'ghost deer' refers to more than one thing. But, deleting the article doesn't
address that issue, it just avoids it. Ross-c ( talk) 18:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:54, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep coverage exists in reliable sources, as demonstrated by User:Ross-c. CJK09 ( talk) 23:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. There are one excellent source for the cryptid topic the instant article is about (the SF Gate piece), one source which talks about real amelanistic or leucistic deer (the PBS video), and one weird source about Virginia Dare supposedly being turned into a white deer by magic (the book). I suppose it would be possible to construct an article syncretizing these disparate sources, but that is not the article under consideration. I also did not find any other sources covering the cryptid ghost deer that were reliable, just a bunch of cryptid message boards and the like. — GrammarFascist contribs talk 03:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since the coverage mentioned is about two different subjects, further discussion should focus on which subject this article should cover and which is actually notable. If the specific Californian dear is not, this might be a valid redirect to white stag per WP:ATD-R
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 15:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Since the coverage mentioned is about two different subjects, further discussion should focus on which subject this article should cover and which is actually notable. If the specific Californian dear is not, this might be a valid redirect to white stag per WP:ATD-R
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 15:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - There are some ghits for "ghost deer," but there's not enough about this ghost deer to satisfy WP:GNG. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:10, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to White stag and locate any mergeable material there. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 18:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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