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The result was keep. CBE recipient; therefore, meets ANYBIO. (non-admin closure) Strikerforce Talk 16:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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WP:BLP of a city councillor, who is not reliably sourced well enough to clear WP:NPOL #2. As always, Wikipedia does not extend an automatic presumption of notability to every city councillor who exists -- city councillors only get that in internationally prominent global cities on the order of New York City or London, and in any city outside that rarefied class they get articles only if the sourcing marks them out as a special case over and above most other city councillors. But the references here aren't doing that at all: two are his own primary sources about himself (his profile on the city's website and his own LinkedIn résumé), one is a glancing namecheck of his existence in purely routine election coverage, one is a glancing namecheck of his existence in an article about the death of his mother, and only one source is about him in any non-trivial way. But there's not a city councillor on the planet who couldn't show one reliable source, so that isn't enough sourcing all by itself to make a city councillor notable. Bearcat ( talk) 16:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep. Recipient of the CBE, which we have always held to be notable under WP:ANYBIO #1. Also not just any councillor, but leader of the council of a major city. As Portsmouth has the cabinet system, that means his post is essentially an executive position. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- Being leader of the council is no notability freebie in and of itself, and "major city" has nothing to do with the notability criteria for city councillors. A city councillor must serve in an internationally famous
global city, such as New York City, Toronto or London, to get an automatic inclusion freebie just for existing — outside of that range, a city councillor (even the leader of the council) qualifies for inclusion only if he or she can be referenced to nationalizing coverage that marks him or her out as a special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors. There is no loophole in there for council leaders in non-global but still subjectively "major" cities — it's either "global city" or "sourced well enough to be special", and there are no grey areas anywhere in between those two things.
Bearcat (
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16:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, maybe you'd like to explain why we have so many articles on mayors of American cities much smaller than Portsmouth that get kept at AfD? That seems to me to be a precedent for the executive heads of cities of this size to be kept. But be that as it may, his CBE still qualifies him for an article. And there is massive precedent for that. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- Being leader of the council is no notability freebie in and of itself, and "major city" has nothing to do with the notability criteria for city councillors. A city councillor must serve in an internationally famous
global city, such as New York City, Toronto or London, to get an automatic inclusion freebie just for existing — outside of that range, a city councillor (even the leader of the council) qualifies for inclusion only if he or she can be referenced to nationalizing coverage that marks him or her out as a special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors. There is no loophole in there for council leaders in non-global but still subjectively "major" cities — it's either "global city" or "sourced well enough to be special", and there are no grey areas anywhere in between those two things.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I apologise that it's taken me so long to respond here, but as Leader of the Council of a major city and the recipient of a CBE (as Necrothesp notes above me), he fulfils the needed criteria to be 'notable'. Issues with citing and referencing are my fault, which I do apologise for. BitterGiant ( talk) 17:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. CBE recipient; therefore, meets ANYBIO. (non-admin closure) Strikerforce Talk 16:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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WP:BLP of a city councillor, who is not reliably sourced well enough to clear WP:NPOL #2. As always, Wikipedia does not extend an automatic presumption of notability to every city councillor who exists -- city councillors only get that in internationally prominent global cities on the order of New York City or London, and in any city outside that rarefied class they get articles only if the sourcing marks them out as a special case over and above most other city councillors. But the references here aren't doing that at all: two are his own primary sources about himself (his profile on the city's website and his own LinkedIn résumé), one is a glancing namecheck of his existence in purely routine election coverage, one is a glancing namecheck of his existence in an article about the death of his mother, and only one source is about him in any non-trivial way. But there's not a city councillor on the planet who couldn't show one reliable source, so that isn't enough sourcing all by itself to make a city councillor notable. Bearcat ( talk) 16:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 22:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 22:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Recipient of the CBE, which we have always held to be notable under WP:ANYBIO #1. Also not just any councillor, but leader of the council of a major city. As Portsmouth has the cabinet system, that means his post is essentially an executive position. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- Being leader of the council is no notability freebie in and of itself, and "major city" has nothing to do with the notability criteria for city councillors. A city councillor must serve in an internationally famous
global city, such as New York City, Toronto or London, to get an automatic inclusion freebie just for existing — outside of that range, a city councillor (even the leader of the council) qualifies for inclusion only if he or she can be referenced to nationalizing coverage that marks him or her out as a special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors. There is no loophole in there for council leaders in non-global but still subjectively "major" cities — it's either "global city" or "sourced well enough to be special", and there are no grey areas anywhere in between those two things.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, maybe you'd like to explain why we have so many articles on mayors of American cities much smaller than Portsmouth that get kept at AfD? That seems to me to be a precedent for the executive heads of cities of this size to be kept. But be that as it may, his CBE still qualifies him for an article. And there is massive precedent for that. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- Being leader of the council is no notability freebie in and of itself, and "major city" has nothing to do with the notability criteria for city councillors. A city councillor must serve in an internationally famous
global city, such as New York City, Toronto or London, to get an automatic inclusion freebie just for existing — outside of that range, a city councillor (even the leader of the council) qualifies for inclusion only if he or she can be referenced to nationalizing coverage that marks him or her out as a special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors. There is no loophole in there for council leaders in non-global but still subjectively "major" cities — it's either "global city" or "sourced well enough to be special", and there are no grey areas anywhere in between those two things.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I apologise that it's taken me so long to respond here, but as Leader of the Council of a major city and the recipient of a CBE (as Necrothesp notes above me), he fulfils the needed criteria to be 'notable'. Issues with citing and referencing are my fault, which I do apologise for. BitterGiant ( talk) 17:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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