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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 14:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Georgian Tragedy of Kerch
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Fails WP:GNG as no WP:RS on subject single out Georgian casualties at Kerch. Focus on Georgian casualties (though many ethnic Georgians died there) is undue, Georgian news results on google appear to be based off the Georgian wiki article which is in turn based on the single 2011 interview cited in this article. Kges1901 ( talk) 21:47, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - A before search doesn't single out the Georgian casualties as an independently notable piece of information. The title itself, "Georgian Tragedy", seems to have been composed entirely by the article creator, and I would not recommend it as a redirect. All I can make of this article is it is a POV fork giving undue weight to casaulties on one side of the Battle of the Kerch Peninsula. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:POVFORK of the much better developed Battle of the Kerch Peninsula. It might be possible to mention ethnic breakdown of Soviet troops there - or not - per editor discretion. Might be worth mentioning in World War II by country#Georgian SSR (Georgia) and Military history of Georgia#World War II as a battle with large Georgian casualties (around a third of their losses for the war). Icewhiz ( talk) 09:07, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete No reliable sources to back up this article and its huge POV concerns. Exemplo347 ( talk) 14:11, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Fails V/NOR/NPOV. Smmurphy( Talk) 18:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 05:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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- In principle, merge to Battle of the Kerch Peninsula. The article and particularly the present title cannot be kept, but if evidence can be found (and I suspect it will exist) that the Soviet troops were so disproportionately Georgian, the Battle articles ought to be amended to say so. It may well be that the sources need will not be in English. I note that the battle article is heavily based on a single academic work, published in England by an author whose ethnic ancestry I cannot identify, but probably Slavic. Peterkingiron ( talk) 10:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Some support for a large number of Georgians in the 51st army: Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945 ("[T]he landscape of the Kerch peninsula ... offer[ed] no shelter to men fighting for their lives. The infantry divisions of the Fifty-first Army, many of them Georgians recently arrived from an entirely different countryside and climate, had neither plan nor cover as they faced the guns."). 24.151.50.175 ( talk) 18:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 14:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Georgian Tragedy of Kerch
- Georgian Tragedy of Kerch ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails WP:GNG as no WP:RS on subject single out Georgian casualties at Kerch. Focus on Georgian casualties (though many ethnic Georgians died there) is undue, Georgian news results on google appear to be based off the Georgian wiki article which is in turn based on the single 2011 interview cited in this article. Kges1901 ( talk) 21:47, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - A before search doesn't single out the Georgian casualties as an independently notable piece of information. The title itself, "Georgian Tragedy", seems to have been composed entirely by the article creator, and I would not recommend it as a redirect. All I can make of this article is it is a POV fork giving undue weight to casaulties on one side of the Battle of the Kerch Peninsula. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:POVFORK of the much better developed Battle of the Kerch Peninsula. It might be possible to mention ethnic breakdown of Soviet troops there - or not - per editor discretion. Might be worth mentioning in World War II by country#Georgian SSR (Georgia) and Military history of Georgia#World War II as a battle with large Georgian casualties (around a third of their losses for the war). Icewhiz ( talk) 09:07, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete No reliable sources to back up this article and its huge POV concerns. Exemplo347 ( talk) 14:11, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Fails V/NOR/NPOV. Smmurphy( Talk) 18:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 05:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 05:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- In principle, merge to Battle of the Kerch Peninsula. The article and particularly the present title cannot be kept, but if evidence can be found (and I suspect it will exist) that the Soviet troops were so disproportionately Georgian, the Battle articles ought to be amended to say so. It may well be that the sources need will not be in English. I note that the battle article is heavily based on a single academic work, published in England by an author whose ethnic ancestry I cannot identify, but probably Slavic. Peterkingiron ( talk) 10:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Some support for a large number of Georgians in the 51st army: Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945 ("[T]he landscape of the Kerch peninsula ... offer[ed] no shelter to men fighting for their lives. The infantry divisions of the Fifty-first Army, many of them Georgians recently arrived from an entirely different countryside and climate, had neither plan nor cover as they faced the guns."). 24.151.50.175 ( talk) 18:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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