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The result was delete. Although this institution may grant degrees, there is consensus for a lack of independent sources demonstrating its notability. Complex/Rational21:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. Nothing in the cited sources suggests notability. (I declined a G4 speedy deletion nomination because the present article is significantly different from the one discussed before and deleted, not because I thought the article was worth keeping.)JBW (
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20:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. Certainly does appear to grant degrees and to be a state-accredited university.
[1] The nomination is therefore based on an inaccurate assumption. --
Necrothesp (
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13:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)reply
It's perfectly sufficient when the nomination is fundamentally flawed, which was my point. If you claim an institution is non-degree-granting when its website says it is degree-granting then you've got to be prepared to be called out over it as a clear breach of
WP:BEFORE. --
Necrothesp (
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12:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)reply
As I read the previous AFD the last time we deleted this, the consensus at that time was that it doesn't grant degrees, or at least that contention was not challenged. Now you say it does. I don't speak Georgian, so all I know is that Google Translate thinks that the university's own website claims that it grants degrees.To be fair to you, both could be true -- the university might have expanded its curriculum in the mean time. In which case my nomination should read: "I've been unable to locate decent, independent sources about this university which mainly grants pilots'
licences and technical qualifications for air crew, but does have a proportion of students seeking academic degrees in aviation law and business administration." In which case, I'm wrong, mea culpa. I don the Hair Shirt of Having Missed That.But you're saying, "One error in your nomination statement means we have to keep the article!" and that's not so. We should not be keeping an article with no independent sources. And as a sysop, you should not be advocating keeping an article with no independent sources. That's inappropriate.—
S MarshallT/
C16:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete - accreditation is no longer considered an automatic pass on notability any more than existence is for secondary schools. Like it or not, it is what it is until someone puts forth the effort to change it. There are no secondary sources to show notability and it's my position that a school article lacking independent sources could be deleted g11 in most cases.
4.37.252.50 (
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20:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Although this institution may grant degrees, there is consensus for a lack of independent sources demonstrating its notability. Complex/Rational21:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. Nothing in the cited sources suggests notability. (I declined a G4 speedy deletion nomination because the present article is significantly different from the one discussed before and deleted, not because I thought the article was worth keeping.)JBW (
talk)
20:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. Certainly does appear to grant degrees and to be a state-accredited university.
[1] The nomination is therefore based on an inaccurate assumption. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)reply
It's perfectly sufficient when the nomination is fundamentally flawed, which was my point. If you claim an institution is non-degree-granting when its website says it is degree-granting then you've got to be prepared to be called out over it as a clear breach of
WP:BEFORE. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
12:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)reply
As I read the previous AFD the last time we deleted this, the consensus at that time was that it doesn't grant degrees, or at least that contention was not challenged. Now you say it does. I don't speak Georgian, so all I know is that Google Translate thinks that the university's own website claims that it grants degrees.To be fair to you, both could be true -- the university might have expanded its curriculum in the mean time. In which case my nomination should read: "I've been unable to locate decent, independent sources about this university which mainly grants pilots'
licences and technical qualifications for air crew, but does have a proportion of students seeking academic degrees in aviation law and business administration." In which case, I'm wrong, mea culpa. I don the Hair Shirt of Having Missed That.But you're saying, "One error in your nomination statement means we have to keep the article!" and that's not so. We should not be keeping an article with no independent sources. And as a sysop, you should not be advocating keeping an article with no independent sources. That's inappropriate.—
S MarshallT/
C16:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete - accreditation is no longer considered an automatic pass on notability any more than existence is for secondary schools. Like it or not, it is what it is until someone puts forth the effort to change it. There are no secondary sources to show notability and it's my position that a school article lacking independent sources could be deleted g11 in most cases.
4.37.252.50 (
talk)
20:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)reply
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