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The result was keep. Sandstein 08:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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Deprodded with the rationale, "The two village likely meet WP:GEOLAND. Covering them both in a single article does not seem like an unreasonable approach." However, their is no village named "Gantamulla", which is divided into two "areas". Article should be deleted, and if someone wants to, two articles created about the two individual villages created. Current article is misleading, and therefore by definition, non-encyclopedic. Onel5969 TT me 00:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 00:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- It might help to know that "Bala" and "Pain" ("Payeen" here) occur sometimes in placenames in this part of the world, and mean "upper" and "lower". c.f. Wani Gam Pain and Wanigam Bala in Pattan sub-district, Baramulla district. Uncle G ( talk) 00:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 01:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Gantamulla does appear to be a genuine village. Not two separate villages. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Hi Necrothesp, do you have a source for that? Currently the article doesn't have any to support that, and I couldn't find any. Onel5969 TT me 12:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree that it is not clear from the sources I've reviewed whether this is one village or two. My best guess is that Gantamulla is an inhabited area administratively divided into two villages (perhaps due to some dispute). We don't build an encyclopedia by deleting articles with suspected errors or ambiguity, we improve articles to eliminate errors and clarify ambiguity. If that eventually leads us to split this into two separate articles, so be it. At this point it is not clear what is the best way forward. Neither WP:DEMOLISH nor WP:TNT should be applied here. ~ Kvng ( talk) 15:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep meets our guidelines for [WP:GEOLAND]] Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low. Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history. Lightburst ( talk) 19:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - okay, so there isn't a SINGLE source showing that this is actually a "legally recognized places". There are sources which show that there are two villages, but not a single entity like in this article. So somehow, in an encyclopedia, it's okay to mislead folks looking for info. Got it. Onel5969 TT me 00:26, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
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Here's a source I used in researching this. Feel free to try some
other maps yourself. ~
Kvng (
talk)
15:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- You do know that's not a reliable source, and the info links back to the WP article under discussion in this AfD (which is why it's not a reliable source). If that's the best anyone can come up with, that pretty much makes my point for deletion.
Onel5969
TT me
18:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oddly your gloating does not convince me to change my position on this deletion discussion. ~
Kvng (
talk)
23:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- And oddly, your lack of understanding of notability criteria does not change mine, either. Onel5969 TT me 00:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oddly your gloating does not convince me to change my position on this deletion discussion. ~
Kvng (
talk)
23:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- You do know that's not a reliable source, and the info links back to the WP article under discussion in this AfD (which is why it's not a reliable source). If that's the best anyone can come up with, that pretty much makes my point for deletion.
Onel5969
TT me
18:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
-
Here's a source I used in researching this. Feel free to try some
other maps yourself. ~
Kvng (
talk)
15:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep the two villages are recognised by the Indian census. SportingFlyer T· C 06:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Sandstein 08:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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Deprodded with the rationale, "The two village likely meet WP:GEOLAND. Covering them both in a single article does not seem like an unreasonable approach." However, their is no village named "Gantamulla", which is divided into two "areas". Article should be deleted, and if someone wants to, two articles created about the two individual villages created. Current article is misleading, and therefore by definition, non-encyclopedic. Onel5969 TT me 00:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 00:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- It might help to know that "Bala" and "Pain" ("Payeen" here) occur sometimes in placenames in this part of the world, and mean "upper" and "lower". c.f. Wani Gam Pain and Wanigam Bala in Pattan sub-district, Baramulla district. Uncle G ( talk) 00:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 01:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Gantamulla does appear to be a genuine village. Not two separate villages. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Hi Necrothesp, do you have a source for that? Currently the article doesn't have any to support that, and I couldn't find any. Onel5969 TT me 12:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree that it is not clear from the sources I've reviewed whether this is one village or two. My best guess is that Gantamulla is an inhabited area administratively divided into two villages (perhaps due to some dispute). We don't build an encyclopedia by deleting articles with suspected errors or ambiguity, we improve articles to eliminate errors and clarify ambiguity. If that eventually leads us to split this into two separate articles, so be it. At this point it is not clear what is the best way forward. Neither WP:DEMOLISH nor WP:TNT should be applied here. ~ Kvng ( talk) 15:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep meets our guidelines for [WP:GEOLAND]] Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low. Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history. Lightburst ( talk) 19:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - okay, so there isn't a SINGLE source showing that this is actually a "legally recognized places". There are sources which show that there are two villages, but not a single entity like in this article. So somehow, in an encyclopedia, it's okay to mislead folks looking for info. Got it. Onel5969 TT me 00:26, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
-
Here's a source I used in researching this. Feel free to try some
other maps yourself. ~
Kvng (
talk)
15:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- You do know that's not a reliable source, and the info links back to the WP article under discussion in this AfD (which is why it's not a reliable source). If that's the best anyone can come up with, that pretty much makes my point for deletion.
Onel5969
TT me
18:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oddly your gloating does not convince me to change my position on this deletion discussion. ~
Kvng (
talk)
23:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- And oddly, your lack of understanding of notability criteria does not change mine, either. Onel5969 TT me 00:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oddly your gloating does not convince me to change my position on this deletion discussion. ~
Kvng (
talk)
23:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- You do know that's not a reliable source, and the info links back to the WP article under discussion in this AfD (which is why it's not a reliable source). If that's the best anyone can come up with, that pretty much makes my point for deletion.
Onel5969
TT me
18:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
-
Here's a source I used in researching this. Feel free to try some
other maps yourself. ~
Kvng (
talk)
15:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep the two villages are recognised by the Indian census. SportingFlyer T· C 06:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.