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The result was No consensus. No real consensus here, and the article isn't that different from the other team season articles in terms of sourcing and content, and those discussions leaned towards keeping. That being said, there is consensus to merge into the team article if a second season isn't played. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 05:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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CONTENT FORK,
COI,
SPAM,
PROMOTION
GenQuest
"scribble"
18:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same; I would also be OK with a merge and redir on any or all of these:
- Jaffna Stallions in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Kandy Tuskers in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Colombo Kings in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Dambulla Viiking in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Lanka Premier League captains ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Lanka Premier League umpires ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect season articles to team articles. I.e.:
- Galle Gladiators in 2020 → Galle Gladiators
- Jaffna Stallions in 2020 → Jaffna Stallions
- Kandy Tuskers in 2020 → Kandy Tuskers
- Colombo Kings in 2020 → Colombo Kings
- Dambulla Viiking in 2020 → Dambulla Viiking
- The team and the league ( Lanka Premier League) are brand-new, so there is no reason for this duplication of material between the team article ( Galle Gladiators) and this one. Meanwhile, the team articles are stubs and could certainly use the addition of information from a few seasons before splitting off. The Current squad and Administrative and support staff charts are identical in both articles. Yoninah ( talk) 18:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep First, all the 5 articles pass the notability according to
WP:NSEASON. I don't know similar articles of other leagues also exist for a long time but they are not deleted. For example,
Islamabad United in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. Lahore Qalandars, Karachi Kings, Peshawar Zalmi, Quetta Gladiators, Multan Sultans in 2016, 17, 18, 19, 20. Plus, Mumbai Indians, Delhi Capitals, Royal Challengers Bangalore,
Kolkata Knight Riders in 2010, 2011, 2012,...., 2020 and much more. All are present. Then why not these? What more I've to say is that the 2020 team article shouldn't be merged to main team article because 2020 team article contains an overview of only one and particular season whereas the main team article contains information about the overview of all the seasons. So, it's not a content forking as the main article presents information about "all" seasons whereas the 2020 article presents information about only "one" season. COI would be valid if anyone of contributors would work for the league. I doubt User:Churot may be working for LPL 😂. How does it seem to COI? Could you explain? Regarding PROMOTION, it would be valid only iff we were promoting the subject but all the information present in the article are sourced, though mostly from ESPN Cricinfo. It's written according to NPOV. I see no advertising, advocacy, propaganda, promotion in the whole article. At last SPAM comes which says
Spam is the inappropriate addition of content to Wikipedia with the intention of promoting or publicizing an outside organization, individual or idea, and is considered harmful to the encyclopedia.
So, can you point out where the article is being promoted or publicized? I see spam nowhere. No spamming external links, no advertisement and no references promoting the subject or author. So, all the issues of nominations are baseless and pointless. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 19:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Other stuff exists is not a valid argument at AFD. The issue is whether the season articles are violating WP:CFORK. Yoninah ( talk) 19:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect into the team article. There is no need for these articles right now, especially for a new league. ☎️ Churot DancePop 10:43, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ GenQuest: Can you explain how exactly the article fails WP:COI and WP:PROMO? WP:COI states contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships and I doubt Fade258 works for Galle Gladiators. CreativeNorth ( talk) 13:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep All for now except the list of umpires and captains which probably shouldn’t have been bundled here. I’ve asked the nom above and am waiting for a response, but citing WP:COI from what I can gather is not assuming WP:GOODFAITH. My reason for keep though is WP:SEASONS which all these articles pass. CreativeNorth ( talk) 15:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- You're right. I redacted the COI. You shouldn't deny, however, that the creation of all these articles in a short time-frame aren't SPAMMY CONTENT-FORKS, PROMOTIONAL, and TOOSOO. Fans gotta' be fans I guess. Also, There are no SEASONS, there is only SEASON. GenQuest "scribble" 04:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect all season articles as Yoninah. The cricket fans have gone overboard, even by their standards, and spammed Wikipedia with multitude of Lanka Premier League articles, templates and categories the contents of which could all easily be contained in a small number of articles. I have tried to merge the content of List of Lanka Premier League umpires, List of Lanka Premier League captains and 2020 Lanka Premier League Final but have been obstructed by these same cricket fans. Delete if they continue to obstruct mergers.-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 18:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge or delete The article may be created if it passes WP:NSEASONS but it still faces the same scrutiny any other article on Wikipedia faces. You can not bring up an article on Wikipedia as a reason to keep another article of similar content. Notability is not inherited from subject to subject simply because they are similar. When a presumed notable article is created it may be brought up for AfD and will then be judged according to the Notability Guideline (See WP:N). To say the article should never have been written would be wrong and to say it should stay simply because it meets an SNG is wrong. Everything hinges on proving it meets the basic Notability Guideline. This does not meet said guideline and therefore does not belong. -- ARoseWolf ( Talk) 14:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep all or merge all The list articles for each franchise teams based on 2020 clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. The LPL tournament is brand new as the inaugural tournament started in 2020. The list articles all have covered the basics such as the summaries of each and every games. If the tournament happens for two or more continuously we can stick with these list articles in the future. Abishe ( talk) 11:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 22:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 22:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment although the series is brand new but sources confirm the next season to be held in July 2021.
[1]
[2]
[3]. The article passes the notability according to
WP:NSEASON. It's not a content forking as the main article presents information about "all" seasons whereas the 2020 article presents information about only "one" season. COI would be valid if anyone of contributors would work for the league. I doubt User:Churot may be working for LPL 😂. How does it seem to be COI? Could you explain? Regarding PROMOTION, it would be valid only iff we were promoting the subject but all the informations present in the article are sourced, though mostly from ESPN Cricinfo. It's written according to NPOV. I see no advertising, advocacy, propaganda and promotion in the whole article. At last SPAM comes, which says
Spam is the inappropriate addition of content to Wikipedia with the intention of promoting or publicizing an outside organization, individual or idea, and is considered harmful to the encyclopedia.
So, can you point out where the article is being promoted or publicized? I see spam nowhere. No spamming external links, no advertisement and no references promoting the subject or author. So, all the issues of the nomination are baseless and pointless. Empire AS Talk! 12:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note to Empire AS: you cannot make more than one !vote in a nomination (i.e. you cannot say "Keep" or "Delete" more than once per AFD, although you are free to change your !vote if circumstances dictate), so your latest comment will be treated as just a comment.
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- I've changed it to comment. Thank you for notifying. Empire AS Talk! 12:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note to Empire AS: you cannot make more than one !vote in a nomination (i.e. you cannot say "Keep" or "Delete" more than once per AFD, although you are free to change your !vote if circumstances dictate), so your latest comment will be treated as just a comment.
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- Weak keep - I'm not unhappy about keeping this for now, with the proviso that if the team never plays another season that the article be merged. These sorts of articles are prevalent across a wide range of sports and it seems reasonable that we have them here. I can understand the argument about it being a fork, but I think I'd give this 9 months or so and see what the situation is after that. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 11:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was No consensus. No real consensus here, and the article isn't that different from the other team season articles in terms of sourcing and content, and those discussions leaned towards keeping. That being said, there is consensus to merge into the team article if a second season isn't played. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 05:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Galle Gladiators in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
CONTENT FORK,
COI,
SPAM,
PROMOTION
GenQuest
"scribble"
18:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same; I would also be OK with a merge and redir on any or all of these:
- Jaffna Stallions in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Kandy Tuskers in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Colombo Kings in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Dambulla Viiking in 2020 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Lanka Premier League captains ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Lanka Premier League umpires ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect season articles to team articles. I.e.:
- Galle Gladiators in 2020 → Galle Gladiators
- Jaffna Stallions in 2020 → Jaffna Stallions
- Kandy Tuskers in 2020 → Kandy Tuskers
- Colombo Kings in 2020 → Colombo Kings
- Dambulla Viiking in 2020 → Dambulla Viiking
- The team and the league ( Lanka Premier League) are brand-new, so there is no reason for this duplication of material between the team article ( Galle Gladiators) and this one. Meanwhile, the team articles are stubs and could certainly use the addition of information from a few seasons before splitting off. The Current squad and Administrative and support staff charts are identical in both articles. Yoninah ( talk) 18:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep First, all the 5 articles pass the notability according to
WP:NSEASON. I don't know similar articles of other leagues also exist for a long time but they are not deleted. For example,
Islamabad United in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. Lahore Qalandars, Karachi Kings, Peshawar Zalmi, Quetta Gladiators, Multan Sultans in 2016, 17, 18, 19, 20. Plus, Mumbai Indians, Delhi Capitals, Royal Challengers Bangalore,
Kolkata Knight Riders in 2010, 2011, 2012,...., 2020 and much more. All are present. Then why not these? What more I've to say is that the 2020 team article shouldn't be merged to main team article because 2020 team article contains an overview of only one and particular season whereas the main team article contains information about the overview of all the seasons. So, it's not a content forking as the main article presents information about "all" seasons whereas the 2020 article presents information about only "one" season. COI would be valid if anyone of contributors would work for the league. I doubt User:Churot may be working for LPL 😂. How does it seem to COI? Could you explain? Regarding PROMOTION, it would be valid only iff we were promoting the subject but all the information present in the article are sourced, though mostly from ESPN Cricinfo. It's written according to NPOV. I see no advertising, advocacy, propaganda, promotion in the whole article. At last SPAM comes which says
Spam is the inappropriate addition of content to Wikipedia with the intention of promoting or publicizing an outside organization, individual or idea, and is considered harmful to the encyclopedia.
So, can you point out where the article is being promoted or publicized? I see spam nowhere. No spamming external links, no advertisement and no references promoting the subject or author. So, all the issues of nominations are baseless and pointless. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 19:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Other stuff exists is not a valid argument at AFD. The issue is whether the season articles are violating WP:CFORK. Yoninah ( talk) 19:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect into the team article. There is no need for these articles right now, especially for a new league. ☎️ Churot DancePop 10:43, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ GenQuest: Can you explain how exactly the article fails WP:COI and WP:PROMO? WP:COI states contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships and I doubt Fade258 works for Galle Gladiators. CreativeNorth ( talk) 13:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep All for now except the list of umpires and captains which probably shouldn’t have been bundled here. I’ve asked the nom above and am waiting for a response, but citing WP:COI from what I can gather is not assuming WP:GOODFAITH. My reason for keep though is WP:SEASONS which all these articles pass. CreativeNorth ( talk) 15:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- You're right. I redacted the COI. You shouldn't deny, however, that the creation of all these articles in a short time-frame aren't SPAMMY CONTENT-FORKS, PROMOTIONAL, and TOOSOO. Fans gotta' be fans I guess. Also, There are no SEASONS, there is only SEASON. GenQuest "scribble" 04:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect all season articles as Yoninah. The cricket fans have gone overboard, even by their standards, and spammed Wikipedia with multitude of Lanka Premier League articles, templates and categories the contents of which could all easily be contained in a small number of articles. I have tried to merge the content of List of Lanka Premier League umpires, List of Lanka Premier League captains and 2020 Lanka Premier League Final but have been obstructed by these same cricket fans. Delete if they continue to obstruct mergers.-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 18:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge or delete The article may be created if it passes WP:NSEASONS but it still faces the same scrutiny any other article on Wikipedia faces. You can not bring up an article on Wikipedia as a reason to keep another article of similar content. Notability is not inherited from subject to subject simply because they are similar. When a presumed notable article is created it may be brought up for AfD and will then be judged according to the Notability Guideline (See WP:N). To say the article should never have been written would be wrong and to say it should stay simply because it meets an SNG is wrong. Everything hinges on proving it meets the basic Notability Guideline. This does not meet said guideline and therefore does not belong. -- ARoseWolf ( Talk) 14:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep all or merge all The list articles for each franchise teams based on 2020 clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. The LPL tournament is brand new as the inaugural tournament started in 2020. The list articles all have covered the basics such as the summaries of each and every games. If the tournament happens for two or more continuously we can stick with these list articles in the future. Abishe ( talk) 11:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 22:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 22:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment although the series is brand new but sources confirm the next season to be held in July 2021.
[1]
[2]
[3]. The article passes the notability according to
WP:NSEASON. It's not a content forking as the main article presents information about "all" seasons whereas the 2020 article presents information about only "one" season. COI would be valid if anyone of contributors would work for the league. I doubt User:Churot may be working for LPL 😂. How does it seem to be COI? Could you explain? Regarding PROMOTION, it would be valid only iff we were promoting the subject but all the informations present in the article are sourced, though mostly from ESPN Cricinfo. It's written according to NPOV. I see no advertising, advocacy, propaganda and promotion in the whole article. At last SPAM comes, which says
Spam is the inappropriate addition of content to Wikipedia with the intention of promoting or publicizing an outside organization, individual or idea, and is considered harmful to the encyclopedia.
So, can you point out where the article is being promoted or publicized? I see spam nowhere. No spamming external links, no advertisement and no references promoting the subject or author. So, all the issues of the nomination are baseless and pointless. Empire AS Talk! 12:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note to Empire AS: you cannot make more than one !vote in a nomination (i.e. you cannot say "Keep" or "Delete" more than once per AFD, although you are free to change your !vote if circumstances dictate), so your latest comment will be treated as just a comment.
Narutolovehinata5
t
c
csd
new
00:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've changed it to comment. Thank you for notifying. Empire AS Talk! 12:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note to Empire AS: you cannot make more than one !vote in a nomination (i.e. you cannot say "Keep" or "Delete" more than once per AFD, although you are free to change your !vote if circumstances dictate), so your latest comment will be treated as just a comment.
Narutolovehinata5
t
c
csd
new
00:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep - I'm not unhappy about keeping this for now, with the proviso that if the team never plays another season that the article be merged. These sorts of articles are prevalent across a wide range of sports and it seems reasonable that we have them here. I can understand the argument about it being a fork, but I think I'd give this 9 months or so and see what the situation is after that. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 11:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.