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The phrase "frontier strip" appears to have been invented solely for this Wikipedia namespace. I can not find any historical or scholarly examples of the phrase "frontier strip" being used in relation to the United States, and as far as I can tell the phrase "frontier strip" does not appear in any of the article's listed references . The small number of Google search hits (regular search, books and scholar) for "frontier strip" appear to be traceable back to this article, with the exception of some references that are clearly about other countries.
Rename to something, I'm not sure what, or Merge into
American Frontier. Leave no redirect from "Frontier Strip". Looking at newspapers.com, frontier strip seems to be a term occasionally used to describe regions near frontlines of battles, but I agree it doesn't work here. Also, the "Last American Frontier", which is used to in this article, generally refers to Alaska and not this region.
Smmurphy(
Talk)16:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)reply
DeleteRename / Merge - this is a difficult one - as this article dates back to 2005 making Wikipedia->source contamination quite an issue. I have found some sources referring to these as "Frontier Strip". Post 2005:
[1][2][3][4]. But I am unable to find older sources using this name for Texas to Dakota.
Icewhiz (
talk) 17:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Modified to delete as it seems most the contents are copy pssted from other wiki articles.
Icewhiz (
talk)
20:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename- Unfortunately this article has been around for a long time and people have put a lot of work into it. However, it seems to be a made-up name for geographic region. I think the easier thing to do would be to move the page to
American Great Plains. Alternately candidates for merges would be American Frontier (as above) or
Great Plains (although this article includes Canada too, which is why I prefer the rename).--
Rusf10 (
talk)
23:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)reply
How about renaming to History of the Great Plains or History of the American Great Plains (I think the former is better right now, since
American Great Plains redirects to
Great Plains). This would be a minor repurposing, with frontier strip replaced with great plains in the text and the image perhaps replaced with
File:Map of the Great Plains.png. The description section doesn't really have anything not in
Great Plains, and this page would, I think, be better kept separate but referred to in the history section of that article.
Smmurphy(
Talk)
While most of the article deals with history, some things would not fit into an article titled "History of". That's why I'd prefer renaming to "American Great Plains" with a hatnote at the top going to the existing "Great Plains" article.--
Rusf10 (
talk)
15:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I agree, but American Great Plains already exists (is a redirect to Great Plains). As I meant to say, the non-history stuff from this article could be merged into that article, except it is already there, so it can just be trimmed in this article.
Smmurphy(
Talk)16:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge each section into the history section of a relevant state or region article such as
American West or
Great Plains.See Below The edit history of this article is eye-opening: The
original is nothing more than a list of states accompanied by an unsourced and speculative explanation. A
later revision attempts to attribute it to the US Census, but this is also fails to support the grouping of the states. Everything else seems to be a mishmash of events that occurred within or around this group of states, but there is still nothing that ties it together as a cohesive region. –
dlthewave☎21:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No consensus yet on a possible renaming or merge target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
ansh66603:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment Most of the historical information appears to have been copy-and-pasted from other Wiki articles by
User:Reddi in June and July 2009 without any references or attribution. I copied the article into my userspace at
User:Dlthewave/Frontier Strip Draft and removed everything that I could verify as copied, just to see what's left. If deleted, I don't think we would lose very much that isn't covered elsewhere. –
dlthewave☎21:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment Is a historical concept; Glad i caught this so get the wikimarkup before any deletion; Maybe move it somewhere else; Sad, not the WP of yesterday ... just another reason not to contribute much anymore; Enjoy --
J. D. Redding15:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss whether merging or deletion is preferred.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
TonyBallioni (
talk)
16:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Over half of this article was copy-and-pasted from other Wikipedia articles, so there would be no point in merging. Most of the remainder is either not suitable for merging (climate and political data) or already covered elsewhere. –
dlthewave☎18:14, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete After someone pointing out that this is just a copy and paste job, I have to change to delete. There's nothing worth saving here.--
Rusf10 (
talk)
01:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The phrase "frontier strip" appears to have been invented solely for this Wikipedia namespace. I can not find any historical or scholarly examples of the phrase "frontier strip" being used in relation to the United States, and as far as I can tell the phrase "frontier strip" does not appear in any of the article's listed references . The small number of Google search hits (regular search, books and scholar) for "frontier strip" appear to be traceable back to this article, with the exception of some references that are clearly about other countries.
Rename to something, I'm not sure what, or Merge into
American Frontier. Leave no redirect from "Frontier Strip". Looking at newspapers.com, frontier strip seems to be a term occasionally used to describe regions near frontlines of battles, but I agree it doesn't work here. Also, the "Last American Frontier", which is used to in this article, generally refers to Alaska and not this region.
Smmurphy(
Talk)16:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)reply
DeleteRename / Merge - this is a difficult one - as this article dates back to 2005 making Wikipedia->source contamination quite an issue. I have found some sources referring to these as "Frontier Strip". Post 2005:
[1][2][3][4]. But I am unable to find older sources using this name for Texas to Dakota.
Icewhiz (
talk) 17:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Modified to delete as it seems most the contents are copy pssted from other wiki articles.
Icewhiz (
talk)
20:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename- Unfortunately this article has been around for a long time and people have put a lot of work into it. However, it seems to be a made-up name for geographic region. I think the easier thing to do would be to move the page to
American Great Plains. Alternately candidates for merges would be American Frontier (as above) or
Great Plains (although this article includes Canada too, which is why I prefer the rename).--
Rusf10 (
talk)
23:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)reply
How about renaming to History of the Great Plains or History of the American Great Plains (I think the former is better right now, since
American Great Plains redirects to
Great Plains). This would be a minor repurposing, with frontier strip replaced with great plains in the text and the image perhaps replaced with
File:Map of the Great Plains.png. The description section doesn't really have anything not in
Great Plains, and this page would, I think, be better kept separate but referred to in the history section of that article.
Smmurphy(
Talk)
While most of the article deals with history, some things would not fit into an article titled "History of". That's why I'd prefer renaming to "American Great Plains" with a hatnote at the top going to the existing "Great Plains" article.--
Rusf10 (
talk)
15:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I agree, but American Great Plains already exists (is a redirect to Great Plains). As I meant to say, the non-history stuff from this article could be merged into that article, except it is already there, so it can just be trimmed in this article.
Smmurphy(
Talk)16:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge each section into the history section of a relevant state or region article such as
American West or
Great Plains.See Below The edit history of this article is eye-opening: The
original is nothing more than a list of states accompanied by an unsourced and speculative explanation. A
later revision attempts to attribute it to the US Census, but this is also fails to support the grouping of the states. Everything else seems to be a mishmash of events that occurred within or around this group of states, but there is still nothing that ties it together as a cohesive region. –
dlthewave☎21:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No consensus yet on a possible renaming or merge target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
ansh66603:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment Most of the historical information appears to have been copy-and-pasted from other Wiki articles by
User:Reddi in June and July 2009 without any references or attribution. I copied the article into my userspace at
User:Dlthewave/Frontier Strip Draft and removed everything that I could verify as copied, just to see what's left. If deleted, I don't think we would lose very much that isn't covered elsewhere. –
dlthewave☎21:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment Is a historical concept; Glad i caught this so get the wikimarkup before any deletion; Maybe move it somewhere else; Sad, not the WP of yesterday ... just another reason not to contribute much anymore; Enjoy --
J. D. Redding15:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss whether merging or deletion is preferred.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
TonyBallioni (
talk)
16:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Over half of this article was copy-and-pasted from other Wikipedia articles, so there would be no point in merging. Most of the remainder is either not suitable for merging (climate and political data) or already covered elsewhere. –
dlthewave☎18:14, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete After someone pointing out that this is just a copy and paste job, I have to change to delete. There's nothing worth saving here.--
Rusf10 (
talk)
01:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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