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Deletethis article got picked up by a couple other publications, but that's all I can find in Croatian. Fails
WP:GNG. Probably relevant to briefly mention on the Croatia-Serbia border dispute article, though.
SportingFlyerT·C20:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete fails
WP:GNG, at least one of the sources on the page
[1] is marked (MENAFN - PRLog), flagging it an a press release. But the point is that this recently declared country had drawn very little attention.
E.M.Gregory (
talk)
22:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete . Fails
WP:GNG Believe it is a hoax and info/sources are published by the creator as this subject in draft page have been deleted many times and all creator are sock - see
here.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk)03:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I've removed a specific mention of the micronation from the Croatia–Serbia border dispute article, merging it with another micronation, but I've kept the citation, even though it's Buzzara.
SportingFlyerT·C08:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Note There's legit no reason to why it should be deleted. they've referenced it and it is notable enough if you search it up in multiple languages. theres many more micronation articles which have less references than this. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
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contribs) 06:18, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Note There are many other pages on Wikipedia that have been allowed with press releases and sometimes no references at all. This has press release references along with normal media references, therefore there is no reason for it to be removed. Many micronations are referenced by their own website, whereas this one has normal articles from the media. It's considered notable as journalists have been willing to take time to write it (on RTL) and that article had been on trending for a good month. Buzzara RTL is one of the largest news sites in Croatia. There's no reason for deletion. Their government website is
https://verdisgov.org/ - They're serious and they have been gaining a lot of attention, just look around and you'll see. It has mainly been popular in Croatia and some other countries including Nigeria, USA and Australia. Some examples:
https://www.nairaland.com/5238083/europes-newest-countryhttps://buzzara.rtl.hr/virealno/3500391/liberland-20-kako-jedan-cetrnaestogodisnjak-stvara-drzavu-izmedju-hrvatske-i-srbije/https://likaclub.eu/cetrnaestogodisnjak-osniva-novu-drzavu-izmedu-hrvatske-i-srbije/ - This has gained more attention than many micronations already on Wikipedia. It's clearly obvious.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk) 17:56, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Buzzara's basically the Croatian buzzfeed, two of their four top stories as we speak are about pets, the lead story is "Stupidest questions asked by Croatian tourists." RTL is fine, but Buzzara is the "What? And finally!" part of the site. And the other article links back to Buzzara. Not trying to get into an argument since this will likely be deleted anyways, but getting on Buzzara and Buzzara only isn't something anyone should be proud of if they're trying to be taken seriously.
SportingFlyerT·C08:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
It's still a referenced and essentially trustwory article. There's no reason why the article should be deleted.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk) 18:27, July 30, 2019 (UTC) —
120.146.29.20 (
talk) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic.
Merge all content which can be sourced to
Croatia–Serbia border dispute - this will probably be a short section. The article in itself doesn't establish notability and it's a stretch to say that the sources discussed above meet notability requirements (although maybe there are more in southeastern European languages). The article on the border dispute is a very logical place to include a mention for a subject about which there isn't much to say. (A redirect would almost be sufficient but the current article doesn't mention Verdis at all.) --
Colapeninsula (
talk)
13:23, 30 July 2019 (UTC)wreply
Comment: For a hoax subject, no merge should be performance - see link above I provide. A micro nation declaration should be recieved
WP:SIGCOV with
independent,
reliable sources. This subject has has been created in draft many times and all of the creator are sock and they are all banned.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk)13:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I mean what's a hoax and what's just a non-notable micronation seems like a mighty fine line and I'm not quite willing to say it's a hoax. But I agree with you that inclusion of information about this doesn't belong anywhere. Best,
Barkeep49 (
talk)
14:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Pretty sure you mean 109,000 followers. They only post stories though. When they do normal posts, they only keep them up for a week or so — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
49.199.101.96 (
talk •
contribs) 23:32, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
I can confirm these aren't purchased. They advertised. I found Verdis through ads — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk •
contribs) 22:11, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
Have you read anything above of the independent sources? There are multiple, although most are in Croatian. There's also its own sources though that are truthful with a lot of notability, especially with its creator being quite known online, especially on YouTube and Instagram. His names online are Doeke and SwedenAviator. He has stopped creating content though as he primarily focuses on
Free Republic of Verdis now. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk •
contribs) 23:25, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Not going to waste time discussing this with you. Please sign your posts, and stick to one IP. (hard to believe that two SPA IPs from the same place who post within minutes of each other are really different editors).
Meters (
talk)
23:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Ever heard of working together? user started first edit on the day the article created and make has made few or no other edits outside this topic— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
49.199.101.96 (
talk •
contribs) 23:36, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Scroll up. You will see it's clearly notable. Thonkingman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic and account created on August 1, 2019 after the AfD is nominated— Preceding
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Thonkingman (
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Deletethis article got picked up by a couple other publications, but that's all I can find in Croatian. Fails
WP:GNG. Probably relevant to briefly mention on the Croatia-Serbia border dispute article, though.
SportingFlyerT·C20:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete fails
WP:GNG, at least one of the sources on the page
[1] is marked (MENAFN - PRLog), flagging it an a press release. But the point is that this recently declared country had drawn very little attention.
E.M.Gregory (
talk)
22:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete . Fails
WP:GNG Believe it is a hoax and info/sources are published by the creator as this subject in draft page have been deleted many times and all creator are sock - see
here.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk)03:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I've removed a specific mention of the micronation from the Croatia–Serbia border dispute article, merging it with another micronation, but I've kept the citation, even though it's Buzzara.
SportingFlyerT·C08:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Note There's legit no reason to why it should be deleted. they've referenced it and it is notable enough if you search it up in multiple languages. theres many more micronation articles which have less references than this. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk •
contribs) 06:18, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Note There are many other pages on Wikipedia that have been allowed with press releases and sometimes no references at all. This has press release references along with normal media references, therefore there is no reason for it to be removed. Many micronations are referenced by their own website, whereas this one has normal articles from the media. It's considered notable as journalists have been willing to take time to write it (on RTL) and that article had been on trending for a good month. Buzzara RTL is one of the largest news sites in Croatia. There's no reason for deletion. Their government website is
https://verdisgov.org/ - They're serious and they have been gaining a lot of attention, just look around and you'll see. It has mainly been popular in Croatia and some other countries including Nigeria, USA and Australia. Some examples:
https://www.nairaland.com/5238083/europes-newest-countryhttps://buzzara.rtl.hr/virealno/3500391/liberland-20-kako-jedan-cetrnaestogodisnjak-stvara-drzavu-izmedju-hrvatske-i-srbije/https://likaclub.eu/cetrnaestogodisnjak-osniva-novu-drzavu-izmedu-hrvatske-i-srbije/ - This has gained more attention than many micronations already on Wikipedia. It's clearly obvious.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk) 17:56, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Buzzara's basically the Croatian buzzfeed, two of their four top stories as we speak are about pets, the lead story is "Stupidest questions asked by Croatian tourists." RTL is fine, but Buzzara is the "What? And finally!" part of the site. And the other article links back to Buzzara. Not trying to get into an argument since this will likely be deleted anyways, but getting on Buzzara and Buzzara only isn't something anyone should be proud of if they're trying to be taken seriously.
SportingFlyerT·C08:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
It's still a referenced and essentially trustwory article. There's no reason why the article should be deleted.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk) 18:27, July 30, 2019 (UTC) —
120.146.29.20 (
talk) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic.
Merge all content which can be sourced to
Croatia–Serbia border dispute - this will probably be a short section. The article in itself doesn't establish notability and it's a stretch to say that the sources discussed above meet notability requirements (although maybe there are more in southeastern European languages). The article on the border dispute is a very logical place to include a mention for a subject about which there isn't much to say. (A redirect would almost be sufficient but the current article doesn't mention Verdis at all.) --
Colapeninsula (
talk)
13:23, 30 July 2019 (UTC)wreply
Comment: For a hoax subject, no merge should be performance - see link above I provide. A micro nation declaration should be recieved
WP:SIGCOV with
independent,
reliable sources. This subject has has been created in draft many times and all of the creator are sock and they are all banned.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk)13:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I mean what's a hoax and what's just a non-notable micronation seems like a mighty fine line and I'm not quite willing to say it's a hoax. But I agree with you that inclusion of information about this doesn't belong anywhere. Best,
Barkeep49 (
talk)
14:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Pretty sure you mean 109,000 followers. They only post stories though. When they do normal posts, they only keep them up for a week or so — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
49.199.101.96 (
talk •
contribs) 23:32, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
I can confirm these aren't purchased. They advertised. I found Verdis through ads — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk •
contribs) 22:11, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
Have you read anything above of the independent sources? There are multiple, although most are in Croatian. There's also its own sources though that are truthful with a lot of notability, especially with its creator being quite known online, especially on YouTube and Instagram. His names online are Doeke and SwedenAviator. He has stopped creating content though as he primarily focuses on
Free Republic of Verdis now. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
120.146.29.20 (
talk •
contribs) 23:25, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Not going to waste time discussing this with you. Please sign your posts, and stick to one IP. (hard to believe that two SPA IPs from the same place who post within minutes of each other are really different editors).
Meters (
talk)
23:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Ever heard of working together? user started first edit on the day the article created and make has made few or no other edits outside this topic— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
49.199.101.96 (
talk •
contribs) 23:36, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
Scroll up. You will see it's clearly notable. Thonkingman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic and account created on August 1, 2019 after the AfD is nominated— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Thonkingman (
talk •
contribs) 11:45, August 2, 2019 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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