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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 13:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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WP:PERP, WP:NOTNEWS - I can't see that there's likely to be unusual or lasting coverage regarding this murderer. BrigadierG ( talk) 00:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Arkansas. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: NOTNEWS, killing four people isn't terribly notable in the US. Some coverage, but it's simply retelling the facts of a crime.
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- He is notable due to his young age at the time of his crimes not the victim count as he has to be the youngest serial killer in Arkansas history. Startrain844 ( talk) 18:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: And NONE of the sources use the term "serial killer", nor can I find mention of this anywhere. I wonder if this is OR or some wishful thinking...
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- He is a serial killer because he committed the murders of three or more people, with the killings taking place over a significant period of time between them.
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Startrain844 (
talk)
19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's original research; you can't create an article using that term when no one else has called him that. This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- He is a serial killer because he committed the murders of three or more people, with the killings taking place over a significant period of time between them.
[1]
[2]
Startrain844 (
talk)
19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of serial killers on Wikipedia had no lasting coverage on news.
Startrain844 (
talk)
19:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate any other articles that don't meet guidelines here. Again, they are serial killers as the media addresses them as such; this individual hasn't been called that in media. He's just another criminal, CRIME notability applies here. Oaktree b ( talk) 03:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Murdered four people on different days over two years. Plenty of coverage. Meets
WP:GNG.
This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia.
Yes, how dare we "shame and degrade" a convicted multiple murderer by calling him a serial killer (which is much, much worse than being a multiple murderer, apparently)! Poor little chap! -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, there is clearly significant coverage, and I see no reason to ignore the GNG. Sourcing across three years assuages concerns about NOTNEWS for me. (I also think the designation of "serial killer" is acceptable per WP:BLUESKY. He meets the scholarly definition of a serial killer, so he is a serial killer.) Toadspike [Talk] 07:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Serial murder". Britannica. Retrieved 2024-04-22.
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^ an offender can be anyone.
- Holmes & Holmes 1998, Serial murder is the killing of three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a significant cooling-off period between the murders The baseline number of three victims appears to be most common among those who are the academic authorities in the field. The time frame also appears to be an agreed-upon component of the definition.
- Petherick 2005, p. 190 Three killings seem to be required in the most popular definition of serial killing since they are enough to provide a pattern within the killings without being overly restrictive.
- Flowers 2012, p. 195 in general, most experts on serial murder require that a minimum of three murders be committed at different times and usually different places for a person to qualify as a serial killer.
- Schechter 2012, p. 73 Most experts seem to agree, however, that to qualify as a serial killer, an individual has to slay a minimum of three unrelated victims.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 13:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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WP:PERP, WP:NOTNEWS - I can't see that there's likely to be unusual or lasting coverage regarding this murderer. BrigadierG ( talk) 00:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Arkansas. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: NOTNEWS, killing four people isn't terribly notable in the US. Some coverage, but it's simply retelling the facts of a crime.
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- He is notable due to his young age at the time of his crimes not the victim count as he has to be the youngest serial killer in Arkansas history. Startrain844 ( talk) 18:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: And NONE of the sources use the term "serial killer", nor can I find mention of this anywhere. I wonder if this is OR or some wishful thinking...
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- He is a serial killer because he committed the murders of three or more people, with the killings taking place over a significant period of time between them.
[1]
[2]
Startrain844 (
talk)
19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's original research; you can't create an article using that term when no one else has called him that. This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- He is a serial killer because he committed the murders of three or more people, with the killings taking place over a significant period of time between them.
[1]
[2]
Startrain844 (
talk)
19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of serial killers on Wikipedia had no lasting coverage on news.
Startrain844 (
talk)
19:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate any other articles that don't meet guidelines here. Again, they are serial killers as the media addresses them as such; this individual hasn't been called that in media. He's just another criminal, CRIME notability applies here. Oaktree b ( talk) 03:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Murdered four people on different days over two years. Plenty of coverage. Meets
WP:GNG.
This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia.
Yes, how dare we "shame and degrade" a convicted multiple murderer by calling him a serial killer (which is much, much worse than being a multiple murderer, apparently)! Poor little chap! -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, there is clearly significant coverage, and I see no reason to ignore the GNG. Sourcing across three years assuages concerns about NOTNEWS for me. (I also think the designation of "serial killer" is acceptable per WP:BLUESKY. He meets the scholarly definition of a serial killer, so he is a serial killer.) Toadspike [Talk] 07:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Serial murder". Britannica. Retrieved 2024-04-22.
-
^ an offender can be anyone.
- Holmes & Holmes 1998, Serial murder is the killing of three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a significant cooling-off period between the murders The baseline number of three victims appears to be most common among those who are the academic authorities in the field. The time frame also appears to be an agreed-upon component of the definition.
- Petherick 2005, p. 190 Three killings seem to be required in the most popular definition of serial killing since they are enough to provide a pattern within the killings without being overly restrictive.
- Flowers 2012, p. 195 in general, most experts on serial murder require that a minimum of three murders be committed at different times and usually different places for a person to qualify as a serial killer.
- Schechter 2012, p. 73 Most experts seem to agree, however, that to qualify as a serial killer, an individual has to slay a minimum of three unrelated victims.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.